Linux-Misc Digest #309, Volume #25 Tue, 1 Aug 00 21:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: my SMTP server? ("Steve Wolfe")
Re: Unexpected daily disk activity... (Mary P)
Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ? (Ed Reppert)
Re: Unexpected daily disk activity... (Alastair Neil)
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released (blowfish)
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released (blowfish)
Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: Token Ring Network card on Linux (AT&T User)
Re: at&t lex (David Rysdam)
Re: Which IDE linux C programers use? (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: [Help] LILO doesn't boot from SCSI disk (Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez)
Re: [Help] Setting up 2.2.16: Problems with modules symbols and power (Jose Manuel
Benitez Sanchez)
Re: Unexpected daily disk activity... (MH)
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From: "Steve Wolfe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: my SMTP server?
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 17:06:29 -0600
> I'm trying to install a mail program that is asking for my
> SMTP server, how can I find out what it is? Do I just
> provide my IP address? or do I need to provide a port number?
> Are there any firewall issues? (I am behind one).
Ask your ISP/Lan administrator. They'll tell you which server to use.
steve
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mary P)
Subject: Re: Unexpected daily disk activity...
Date: 1 Aug 2000 23:57:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
quoting a by-now-disappeared questioner:
>AY> > Every day, at 4:00 AM, I experience a lot of disk activity. I have
>AY> > configured a daily backup at 2:00 AM using crontab--but have not
>AY> > configured any other scheduled routines. I can find no scripts in
>AY> > /ect/cron.daily that would explain this activity. I'm running RH 6.0
I don't know if this would apply to you or not. I was running RH 5.2
and was very concerned about weird disk activity every morning at
4:04 UTC. I finally managed to catch it as it was happening by
running top, and found some processes belonging to user "nobody" --
can't remember now, but one was "sort."
Like you, I could find no scripts to explain what I was hearing,
but with help from some more experienced Linux users I eventually
came to believe it was nothing but routine housekeeping my system
had assigned itself.
Maybe the same activity goes on by default in RH 6.0.
Mary P.
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while they're eating a sandwich, they're eating that
sandwich for ever.
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From: Ed Reppert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.solaris.x86,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: Learn Unix on which Unix Flavour ?
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 23:58:06 GMT
In article <8m36fh$dtt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Alan Coopersmith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Officially, any OS that gets certified as meeting the standards set
> forth by the Open Group can be called "UNIX(TM)" - currently that list
> includes Solaris, AIX, Tru64 (aka Digital UNIX), IRIX, UnixWare, HP-UX,
> and even IBM OS/390.
OS/390 is Unix?! When did that happen?
> For full details see http://www.unix-systems.org/
I'll go check it out.
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 01:23:40 +0100
From: Alastair Neil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unexpected daily disk activity...
Mary P wrote:
>
> quoting a by-now-disappeared questioner:
> >AY> > Every day, at 4:00 AM, I experience a lot of disk activity. I have
> >AY> > configured a daily backup at 2:00 AM using crontab--but have not
> >AY> > configured any other scheduled routines. I can find no scripts in
> >AY> > /ect/cron.daily that would explain this activity. I'm running RH 6.0
>
> I don't know if this would apply to you or not. I was running RH 5.2
> and was very concerned about weird disk activity every morning at
> 4:04 UTC. I finally managed to catch it as it was happening by
> running top, and found some processes belonging to user "nobody" --
> can't remember now, but one was "sort."
>
> Like you, I could find no scripts to explain what I was hearing,
> but with help from some more experienced Linux users I eventually
> came to believe it was nothing but routine housekeeping my system
> had assigned itself.
>
> Maybe the same activity goes on by default in RH 6.0.
>
> Mary P.
>
Look in /etc/crontab it will show you what scripts are running
probably those in /etc/cron.daily. The sort you saw was probably
from the makewhatis script.
--
Those who are mentally and emotionally healthy are those who have
learned when to say yes, when to say no and when to say whoopee. -- W.S.
Krabill
Alastair Neil
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:30:16 -0700
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> ... and it's bad news! They split the distribution in two versions:
> personal (for private, desktop users) and professional (server
> related). They are also more expensive, don't have any major release
> (neither kernel 2.4, KDE 2.0, etc.) because they're too soon. There's
> is no reason to upgrade to 7.0. Wait til kernel 2.4 is released ...
>
>From what I've read all over the net today. There're enough improvement
to justify the upgrade to SuSE 7.0.
Especially for Windozlised newbies... With SuSE 7.0. Installation will
be fully automated, other than keying in the info for networking , or
info for ppp dial-up.
I'm not sure about this count, I cannot read German well. But seems like
SuSE 7.0 even will reconise Baillie (?Spelling?) code, and even a blind
person can install it.
And I never care for any games, or the latest 3D-Graphic cards. And I
don't use any IDE anymore. All wide SCSI LVD, FFS, LVM, SMP ,a decent
sound card. I don't even use IPCHAINS anymore. So, 2.4 kernel means
nothing to me. And I don't even think I'll upgrade for 2.4 kernel at
all. Everything I needed is already supported by default with SuSE's
2.2.14.
Never minded about the 2.4 kernel de jour.
But I hope SuSE has taken out all the stupid games from the Professional
version.
The important stuff are the apps.
And if you look carefully into SuSE 6.4. You'll find many of the
excellent stuff from the *BSD are included. That's a really good sign.
Combining the best of both opensource OS/s. (I've been hacking *BSD
stuff to run under SuSE, and SuSE's stuff to run under Free/Open/BSD
here for awhile.)
SuSE's end users will end up big winners, with a very stable, secure,
and painless to install and update platform. ;-)
-Alex / blowfish.
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> .. wrote:
> > -------------------SuSE Linux 7.0 released----------------------------
> > "...The optimised support for fully automated installation and SuSE's
> > new ALICE tool
> > (Automatic Linux Installation and Configuration Environment), allow
> > efficient configuration management for computer networks..."
> >
> > http://linuxpr.com/releases/2272.html
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > --
> > - If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
> > hands,
> > lives a very boring and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste
> his
> > time.
> > Simplicity rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee).
> >
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very boring and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
Simplicity rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee).
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From: blowfish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: ..
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 17:35:50 -0700
Nik Engel wrote:
>
> There is also said that there will be improved T-dsl support
> Can this be possible. Or do they use the old version ?
I don't know. But sure they can fine trim, and optimised the code.
I've found that SuSE's kernel is quite a bit faster than many other
distros. Almost as fast as FreeBSD. (I've been using SuSE full time for
a couple years, together with *BSD, no dual boot here in 6 machines.
Started messing with Slackware since around 1994. Tried at least a dozen
distros. Dumped Windoz, stayed with SuSE, FreeBSD, OpenBSD and Solaris.)
- Alex / blowfish.
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
> news:8m66jn$ghg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > ... and it's bad news! They split the distribution in two versions:
> > personal (for private, desktop users) and professional (server
> > related). They are also more expensive, don't have any major release
> > (neither kernel 2.4, KDE 2.0, etc.) because they're too soon. There's
> > is no reason to upgrade to 7.0. Wait til kernel 2.4 is released ...
> >
> >
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > .. wrote:
> > > -------------------SuSE Linux 7.0 released----------------------------
> > > "...The optimised support for fully automated installation and SuSE's
> > > new ALICE tool
> > > (Automatic Linux Installation and Configuration Environment), allow
> > > efficient configuration management for computer networks..."
> > >
> > > http://linuxpr.com/releases/2272.html
> > > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > > - If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
> > > hands,
> > > lives a very boring and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste
> > his
> > > time.
> > > Simplicity rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee).
> > >
> >
> >
> > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > Before you buy.
--
- If Vi is God's editor. Then, God must have too much free time on his
hands,
lives a very boring and unproductive life; so he needs Vi to waste his
time.
Simplicity rules. That's why I use Easy Edit (ee).
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: fwd: SuSE Linux 7.0 released
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:33:02 -0500
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000, David Steuber wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>' ... and it's bad news! They split the distribution in two versions:
>' personal (for private, desktop users) and professional (server
>' related). They are also more expensive, don't have any major release
>' (neither kernel 2.4, KDE 2.0, etc.) because they're too soon. There's
>' is no reason to upgrade to 7.0. Wait til kernel 2.4 is released ...
>
>For some reason, I am still running with 6.2. I've been upgrading
>packages as needed. Over time, I expect to have a system that is a
>sort of DIY on top of the basic package in the SuSE 6.2 distro.
>
>Or, I may go the Debian route.
>
>--
>David Steuber
>NRA Membe
While SuSE 7.0 may not be worth an upgrade from 6.3 or 6.4, it still is a good
distro for those trying Linux or SuSE for the first time. Prior to 7.0, SuSE
distros came on 6 CDs plus a 480+ page printed manual. That combination is now
being packaged as the PRO version, while a 3 CD version is 'personal' version.
The PRO is about $80 and the Personal is about $30. The net effect of the 7.0
release is to double the price of the 6 CD set and offer a cheaper version.
Also, YaST2 (the graphical sys admin tool) has been polished and a new tool,
ALICE, makes it's appearance.
My SuSE 6.3 is running perfectly, so I don't see a reason yet to upgrade. I
will upgrade, however, after SuSE makes the journaling system standard on the
install, and after KDE 2.0 comes out. Probably around 7.2, in 6 monts.
Meanwhile, all you folks who are trying to decide how to jump into Linux, or to
try SuSE, go ahead. It's a great distro!
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Date: Wed, 02 Aug 2000 12:38:55 +1200
From: AT&T User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.networking,comp.os.linux.setup,linux.redhat.misc
Subject: Re: Token Ring Network card on Linux
i've got a token ring card running in my RedHat 6.2 machine. i load it via a
module
my conf.modules looks like
alias tr0 ibmtr
options ibmtr io=0xA0 irq=10
from your error messages it looks like a resource conflict. does the card have
any DOS utililties for testing and setting the IO/IRQ?
i'm using an IBM Auto16/4 ISA card. IBM LANStreamer's aren't supported.
check http://www.redhat.com/support/hardware/intel/62/rh6.2-hcl-i.ld-11.html
under Sction 11.8 Other forms of networking to make sure you are using a
supported card.
Simon He wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I was trring to setup Red Hat Linux 6.2 on a Token Ring Network, somehow the
> token ring card could not be initialized at bootup even after editing the
> conf.module file. The error message I'm getting is:
>
> localhost insmod: /lib/modules/2.2.14-12/net/ibmtr.o: init_module: Device or
> resource busy
> localhost insmod: /lib/modules/2.2.14-12/net/ibmtr.o: insmod tr0 failed
> localhost kernel: ibmtr: register_trdev() returned non-zero.
>
> I have tried both ISA and PCI card but to no avail, could anyone provide me
> with solution to this problem ?
>
> Simon
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From: David Rysdam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: at&t lex
Date: 01 Aug 2000 20:06:23 -0400
ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Rysdam wrote:
> >
> >
> > ed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Can at&t lex be purchased somewhere and can it be installed on a linux
> > > system?
> >
> > flex no good? Comes free from FSF on every Linux distro.
> >
> > --
> > My public encryption key is available from www.keyserver.net
>
>
> flex is no good, the output is too different. I do not want to rewrite
> legacy code/source. need to be able to install at&t (or more similiar
> substitute than flex) onto a linux machine.
Hmmm...I thought there was a -traditional switch to flex that made it
work like lex, but perusing the man page I don't see it. I may be
thinking of yacc vs bison. Sorry!
--
My public encryption key is available from www.keyserver.net
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Which IDE linux C programers use?
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2000 19:50:17 -0500
On Tue, 01 Aug 2000, Juergen Sauer wrote:
>Robert Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb
>am Sun, 30 Jul 2000 19:53:12 GMT in comp.os.linux.misc:
>RH> Luis Yanes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>RH> In a message on Sat, 29 Jul 2000 01:03:23 +0200, wrote :
>
>RH> Most *serious* Linux/UNIX C programmers don't use a Microsoft, Borland, or
>RH> CodeWarrior type of 'IDE'. Almost all Linux/UNIX C programmers just use
>RH> command like tools: some sort of editor and a shell window to use make,
>RH> etc. *Some* programmers use GnuEmacs or XEmacs -- both of these have
>RH> syntax highlighting and 'electric C' modes. There is also an interface
>RH> where you can run make as a sub-process of Emacs and Emacs will parse
>RH> gcc/g++'s error messages and bring up the section of code in another
>RH> editor window. There is also a gdb interface for Emacs as well. These
>RH> two interfaces give GnuEmacs or XEmacs *some* of the features and
>RH> functionality that you are looking for, except generally the GnuEmacs
>RH> or XEmacs 'IDE's are heavily keyboard-based with only small use of the
>RH> mouse.
>
>I prefer emacs (+etags +make +gdb) roughly on the console.
>Especially for code we produced by our self.
>
>RH> *I* have found that using a point-and-click programming interfaces tend
>RH> to slow down code production -- the point-and-click interface has too
>RH> much interface overhead (lots of excess hand movement, distracting 'eye
>RH> candy', etc.).
This begs a question... When you design a graphical screen (form, dialog, or
what ever you call it, do you have to compile and run just to see how your
widget placements look? You don't use a wysiwyg design tool? Do you make
pencil notation of the estimate of the number of pixels you need to move
something? Or, do you hand code the x,y, dx, dy values determined by a
manually designed screen pattern?
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From: Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: [Help] LILO doesn't boot from SCSI disk
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:42:10 +0200
> disk=/dev/sda
> bios=0x80
This was enough.
Thanks a lot!
> And then I suggest you change the type of the extended partition from
> 05 to 85 for the case that the disk should coexist with an operation
> system that uses the partitions types correctly.
No need to do that
--
Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dpto. de Ciencias de la Computacion e Inteligencia Artificial
E.T.S. Ingenieria Informatica
Universidad de Granada Tel. +34 - 958 - 24 61 43
18071 - GRANADA (Spain) Fax: +34 - 958 - 24 33 17
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From: Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: [Help] Setting up 2.2.16: Problems with modules symbols and power
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 20:56:42 +0200
Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I've just grabbed the latest stable kernel version (i.e. 2.2.16). I've
> configured (properly?), compiled, and installed it. It's running fine,
> except for two annoying issues:
> a) When booting up, depmod complains of undefined symbols in several
> modules.
Thanks for all your kind answers. Actually, I just needed to remove
/lib/modules/2.2.16. Then proceed with configuration, make and a final
depmod -a.
It's working fine no.
> b) The second issue is a minor detail. When 'halt' is commanded,
> everything is done all right except the last step, namely, actually
> powering down the machine.
Your answers also worked with this issue. Just enabling
"Use real mode APM bios call to power off" was enough. I hadn't selected
it in the first place because I misunderstood the "help" paragraph,
thinking that APM was only useful for laptops.
This doesn't work with SMP machines, however. And one of the servers
involved in the upgrading is a biprocessor. This server is attatched to
an UPS, which is programmed to command a "halt" to the computer when
some conditions are met (e.g. some minutes running on UPS, or it is
close to run out of battery). After the machine is powered down, the UPS
doesn't supply more power. But if the machine doesn't switch off
properly, the UPS will discharge wastefully. Is there any way to force
the use of APM even on SMP machines? I could enforce its activation when
the shutdown process is started.
Jos� Manuel
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Jose Manuel Benitez Sanchez e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dpto. de Ciencias de la Computacion e Inteligencia Artificial
E.T.S. Ingenieria Informatica
Universidad de Granada Tel. +34 - 958 - 24 61 43
18071 - GRANADA (Spain) Fax: +34 - 958 - 24 33 17
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unexpected daily disk activity...
Date: Tue, 01 Aug 2000 18:07:13 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"David M. Cook" wrote:
>
> On Mon, 31 Jul 2000 22:06:01 -0700, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Every day, at 4:00 AM, I experience a lot of disk activity. I have
>
> Look in /etc/crontab for the line
>
> 02 4 * * * root run-parts /etc/cron.daily
>
> This runs the command "run-parts /etc/cron.daily" every day at 04:02. What
> run-parts does is run every executable script in the specified directory.
> You can stop a script from running by turning off the executable bits:
>
> chmod -x foo.sh
>
> Dave Cook
Thanks! I thought # crontab -e edited /etc/crontab--evidently not.
Where is the file that is created when you # crontab -e? It shows /tmp
but that can't be right can it? It must be saved somewhere else?
--
"For it is the natural tendency of the ignorant to believe what is not
true.
In order to overcome that tendency it is not sufficient to exhibit the
true;
it is also necessary to expose and denounce the false."
-- H. L. Mencken
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