Linux-Misc Digest #712, Volume #25 Sat, 9 Sep 00 19:13:02 EDT
Contents:
what is the ORB? ("Nesman")
Re: how to logout from inside a script or app? ("Peter T. Breuer")
So Complicated I Dont Even Know What To Catagorize It As (QNA)
Re: what is the ORB? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: So Complicated I Dont Even Know What To Catagorize It As ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: So Complicated I Dont Even Know What To Catagorize It As ("Peter T. Breuer")
M$ Windows ME too slow like W2K? ("Jonas Poyaoan")
Re: Gnome Xterm not reading .profile ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: Where can I download SuSE 7.0 ??? ("Sjoerd Langkemper")
Re: Question: cron and tape backups ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows (Jim Richardson)
Re: StarOffice Setup for multiple users on one machine (Bill Unruh)
Re: The Government's Decision to Use Microsoft ("Andrew N. McGuire ")
Re: M$ Windows ME too slow like W2K? ("Jan Schaumann")
Re: M$ Windows ME too slow like W2K? ("Peter T. Breuer")
Partition Cross-Over Project: Extended to Primary (QNA)
Re: Partition Cross-Over Project: Extended to Primary ("Peter T. Breuer")
efax and .ps files (David)
Re: Which directories should I use RAID on? (Arthur Rinkel)
Persistent Superblock, mkraid (SoftRAID) (Arthur Rinkel)
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From: "Nesman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: what is the ORB?
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:25:54 GMT
anyone knows the orb is? what is for? where can doc? searched the redhat /
ldp site, nothing comes out like orb. who knows aabout the orb? thanks,
nesman
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to logout from inside a script or app?
Date: 9 Sep 2000 21:28:19 GMT
Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I've tried the system() function and got nowhere.
: I don't want to put my code at the bottom of ~/.profile or ~/.bashrc but .....
What do you mean by "logout"? Don't you just mean "exit the login
shell" (whichever that is - it'll probably be your process group session
leader). Is that what you want? What is the effect you are trying to
achieve? Are you trying to launch a daemon?
Perhaps a book on unix programming would be helpful?
Peter
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From: QNA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: So Complicated I Dont Even Know What To Catagorize It As
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 21:28:48 GMT
that subject is not a scheme for a quick answere, this really is
confusing......alright:
I have windows and linux installed. at LILO when i first start my computer
i now have the options to run FLOPPY LINUX or WINDOWS. i would like to run
windows but when i select it its says "windows loading", it says this for
hours on end and windows never starts. here is what i think it may be. i
have no space in my "Primary Partition", but all of my 6GB is in
my "Extended Partition" now my extended is divded half and half, one for
Linux Mandrake 7.0 and one for Windows. The problem is windows loads
forever and i wanna know how to fix it? i can never run windows. I have
edited my /etc/lilo.conf file to have windows as an option but it wont go
into it. i think the problem lies somewhere in my hard drive. what can i
do?
P.S. reply to this even if someone already has please, i need all the help
possible.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: what is the ORB?
Date: 9 Sep 2000 21:31:13 GMT
Nesman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: anyone knows the orb is? what is for? where can doc? searched the redhat /
: ldp site, nothing comes out like orb. who knows aabout the orb? thanks,
Which ORB do you mean? (or is that an ORBA?, or a CORBA?).
: nesman
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So Complicated I Dont Even Know What To Catagorize It As
Date: 9 Sep 2000 21:35:58 GMT
Peter T. Breuer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: QNA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: : edited my /etc/lilo.conf file to have windows as an option but it wont go
: : into it. i think the problem lies somewhere in my hard drive. what can i
I forgot to mention: you do know that EDITING is not enough, right?
man lilo for more info.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: So Complicated I Dont Even Know What To Catagorize It As
Date: 9 Sep 2000 21:34:31 GMT
QNA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: i now have the options to run FLOPPY LINUX or WINDOWS. i would like to run
: windows but when i select it its says "windows loading", it says this for
: hours on end and windows never starts. here is what i think it may be. i
What is your problem?
: have no space in my "Primary Partition", but all of my 6GB is in
: my "Extended Partition" now my extended is divded half and half, one for
: Linux Mandrake 7.0 and one for Windows. The problem is windows loads
: forever and i wanna know how to fix it? i can never run windows. I have
I don't think it's broke, but in any case, you really need to post in a
windows newsgroup for windows related problems.
: edited my /etc/lilo.conf file to have windows as an option but it wont go
: into it. i think the problem lies somewhere in my hard drive. what can i
: do?
Possibly change your hard drive and see if the problem persists ;-).
That ought to narrow it down. You could try reinstalling windows too!
What happens if you start windows in recovery mode?
: P.S. reply to this even if someone already has please, i need all the help
: possible.
It's a pleasure.
Peter
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From: "Jonas Poyaoan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: M$ Windows ME too slow like W2K?
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 14:37:04 -0700
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
My mom got me a eMachine etower|566i2 yesterday with M$ Windows Me from
BestBuy. It's running like W2K, very slow. What if I'll have it returned
and replace OS with Windows 98?
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Gnome Xterm not reading .profile
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 16:46:58 -0500
On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Bit Twister quoth:
BT> try putting the variables in .bash_profile
BT> logout/login and see what you see.
[ snip upside-down quoted text ]
Wrong. .bash_profile is the first file bash looks to execute
for a ~login shell~. If you had said .bashrc your answer would
have been correct. The other solution is to invoke xterm with the
'-ls' option to make it a login shell. As an alternative, he
could also export those variables in his .profile, making them
available to all child shells after login.
[ aside: I like the .bashrc idea better as invoking xterm with
'-ls' is fairly rare. ]
anm
--
BEGIN { $\ = $/; $$_ = $_ for qw~ just another perl hacker ~ }
my $J = sub { return \$just }; my $A = sub { return \$another };
my $P = sub { return \$perl }; my $H = sub { return \$hacker };
print map ucfirst() . " " => ${&$J()}, ${&$A()}, ${&$P()}, ${&$H()};
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From: "Sjoerd Langkemper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where can I download SuSE 7.0 ???
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:06:58 GMT
You can't. Look at www.suse.com for the newest version.
Sjoerd
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question: cron and tape backups
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:05:21 -0500
[ please set your word wrap to something kinder ]
On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, Robert Jones quoth:
RJ> I have an incredibly simple question for which I've been unable to find
RJ> an
RJ> answer. I perform regular backups to tape and have settled in on a
RJ> script that
RJ> does everything I want except start while I'm sleeping. So, I made and
RJ> tested
RJ> (using different day and time) a crontab entry to start the script.
RJ> Problem
RJ> is, the script calls tar to create a multi-tape set and when the first
RJ> tape
RJ> is full, tar likes to issue a prompt to prepare the next tape and push
RJ> <return> to continue. The question is (or are, as it were) where is that
RJ>
RJ> prompt gonna go when my machine is sitting here with monitor off and
RJ> nobody
RJ> logged on and what good will it do to hit <return> if it's waiting for
RJ> me to
RJ> log on? Have I defined an impossible goal?
RJ>
RJ> Thanks for any clues!
RJ>
RJ> --
~~
"-- "
My suggestion would be to use a yes/no file or expect.
What I mean by a yes/no file can best be exemplified like
so:
[anm@hawk ~] cat test.sh [pts/1]
#!/bin/sh
echo -n "What do you choose? [red|blue|green]: "
read choice
case $choice in
red)
echo "You chose red!"
;;
blue)
echo "You chose blue!"
;;
green)
echo "You chose green!"
;;
*)
echo "Invalid choice!"
;;
esac
[anm@hawk ~] cat color [pts/1]
blue
[anm@hawk ~] ./test.sh < color [pts/1]
What do you choose? [red|blue|green]: You chose blue!
anm
--
BEGIN { $\ = $/; $$_ = $_ for qw~ just another perl hacker ~ }
my $J = sub { return \$just }; my $A = sub { return \$another };
my $P = sub { return \$perl }; my $H = sub { return \$hacker };
print map ucfirst() . " " => ${&$J()}, ${&$A()}, ${&$P()}, ${&$H()};
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 13:54:46 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sat, 09 Sep 2000 12:17:39 GMT,
Ingemar Lundin, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>> 500 mill for windows? Um, not. Maybe for all computers* in the world.
>> Linux has WAY more than 2.5 mill. Estimates from '96 put Linux at 10
>> mill. I'd place it at 20 mill. This is for users not servers+users.
>
>Thats right Mark, 500 milj Windows...since the introduction of Windows 95,
>MS has sold 150 milj copies of Windows 9X (3 milj retail included), and to
>that add Windows version 1.0-3.11 + Windows NT 3.01-4.0 + Windows 2000
>(execeeding 2 milj so far).
>How is that for a sucess story?
>
>Altough i admit that Windows 1.0-3.11 was really DOS with a GUI
>But the trade name for them is still Windows...;-)
>
Are you somehow claiming that noone upgraded their systems, that all
licences sold are for new installs? Are you somehow claiming that all
win3.1 machines are still in use? But even if this were true, it still doesn't
add up to 500 million, (I don't know for sure what milj means, is this an
abbreviation? serious question) The numbers of Win<95 licenses sold is far
lower than the number of Win95 licences. So no way can it all add up to 500
milliion
>
>> *not counting embedded devices.
>
>Yeah well... Windows CE is still the choice of OS for the traditional PC
>manufac. even in this field.
the traditional pc manufacturers are a tiny fragment of the embedded market,
and WinCE a smaller fragment of that. Even among handheld pcs, which is where
WinCE has it's largest segment, WinCE is less than 20% of the market, and it's
basically invisible in the rest of the embedded world.
>> Dude, the number is like 60% which is 20% greater than 50%. I'd
>> consider this fairly significant.
>
>Again...running Apache is *not* the same as running Linux, most of the large
>commercial companies is still Unix oriented.
>
>
But "most of the large commercial companies" are not 60% of the market for
webservers.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Subject: Re: StarOffice Setup for multiple users on one machine
Date: 9 Sep 2000 22:17:10 GMT
In <39ba9e64$0$51206$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]I have been trying to setup StarOffice 5.2 - Linux on my Caldera 2.4
]Open Desktop. I see that they say in the Setup Guide on page that
]Linux users must mount your CD-ROM drive with the "Execute" rights to be
]able to run the Setup Script from the CR. What does this mean & how do
]I do this. I cannot find anything on this.
Edit /etc/fstab and on the cdrom line make sure that you have the exec
option on that line. Eg mine looks like
/dev/hdc /cdrom auto user,noauto,nosuid,exec,nodev,ro 0 0
]It also says to run ./setup -net. I cannot figure how to do this.
]Nothing I try works.
Go into the directory on the cdrom which contains the program setup and
type in
./setup -net
(in the installed version this would be in the bin directory-- so with
the above mounting of the cdrom
cd /cdrom/bin
./setup -net
but your system may differ and the uninstalled cdrom may differ-- I do
not have a copy here to check)
]I am new to Linux, but not to computers. I am getting frustrated & need
]help.
]Thanks,
]Rob
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From: "Andrew N. McGuire " <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Government's Decision to Use Microsoft
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 17:14:42 -0500
On Sat, 9 Sep 2000, David Steuber quoth:
DS> "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
DS>
DS> ' If you want to disable all buffer overflow exploits, run on a machine
DS> ' where the program stack increases upwards!
DS>
DS> Better would be to use a language that uses dynamic arrays (growable
DS> buffers) or fgets instead of gets for *all* reads.
Well Perl uses dynamically growable arrays. :-)
But it sounds like you speak of C.
DS> In this day and age, there is no excuse for being able to overflow a
DS> buffer. A modern langauge should either grow the buffer or throw an
DS> exception when more data than expected is read.
Recall though, than an individual can write bad programs in ~any~
language. It is not the fault of the language, but generally the
programmer. So perhaps, your comment should be altered to say:
"In this day in age, there is no excuse for writing a program that
contains a exploitable buffer overflow."
But then again that has always been true, C is a sharp sword.
Best Wishes,
anm
--
BEGIN { $\ = $/; $$_ = $_ for qw~ just another perl hacker ~ }
my $J = sub { return \$just }; my $A = sub { return \$another };
my $P = sub { return \$perl }; my $H = sub { return \$hacker };
print map ucfirst() . " " => ${&$J()}, ${&$A()}, ${&$P()}, ${&$H()};
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From: "Jan Schaumann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ Windows ME too slow like W2K?
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.misc
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 18:21:27 -0400
In article <uJytxVqGAHA.330@cpmsnbbsa09>, "Jonas Poyaoan"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> My mom got me a eMachine etower|566i2 yesterday with M$ Windows Me from
> BestBuy. It's running like W2K, very slow. What if I'll have it
> returned and replace OS with Windows 98?
it still won't have anything to do with linux.
thus fup2 comp.os.ms-windows.misc
-Jan
--
Jan Schaumann <http://www.netmeister.org>
Air is water with holes in it.
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: M$ Windows ME too slow like W2K?
Date: 9 Sep 2000 22:28:50 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Jan Schaumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <uJytxVqGAHA.330@cpmsnbbsa09>, "Jonas Poyaoan"
: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> My mom got me a eMachine etower|566i2 yesterday with M$ Windows Me from
:> BestBuy. It's running like W2K, very slow. What if I'll have it
:> returned and replace OS with Windows 98?
: it still won't have anything to do with linux.
: thus fup2 comp.os.ms-windows.misc
: Air is water with holes in it.
Is that sparse water?
Peter
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From: QNA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Partition Cross-Over Project: Extended to Primary
Date: Sat, 09 Sep 2000 22:28:48 GMT
i have nothing in my Primary Partition. All of my space is located in my
Extended Partition. My Extended partition is split between Linux and
Windows. How Do i delete what is in my extended Partition and then re-
install things in my Primary partition. Why do i want do this? because at
the LILO prompt when i select to run the Windows OS it says "windows
loading" but it says this for hours and hours and i think this has
something to do with it. either way i would like to put the space in my
primary partition. thanks.
--
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http://www.help.com/
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Partition Cross-Over Project: Extended to Primary
Date: 9 Sep 2000 22:41:32 GMT
QNA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: i have nothing in my Primary Partition. All of my space is located in my
Wait a second. If you have nothing in your primary partition, then it
is full of space, so it's not true that all your space is located in
your extended partition!
: Extended Partition. My Extended partition is split between Linux and
Do you mean "subpartitioned" instead of "split"? You can't split a
partition, except into two different partitoons, and then they wouldn't
be split.
: Windows. How Do i delete what is in my extended Partition and then re-
Well, it depends what you mean by "delete". You could take a partition
editor to your partition table. That would leave the data intact. Or
you could reformat the contents of the partition. That would wipe the
data, but leave the partition table intact.
Which would you prefer?
: install things in my Primary partition. Why do i want do this? because at
You can always reisnstall anything in your primary partition (or any other).
You don't have to do any wiping to do so!
: the LILO prompt when i select to run the Windows OS it says "windows
: loading" but it says this for hours and hours and i think this has
You really ought to start windows in rescue mode to see what its
problem is. COuld it be that it doesn't like the label on the extended
partition? Change it to 5 from 85 (or vice versa). It's all the same to
linux.
: something to do with it. either way i would like to put the space in my
: primary partition. thanks.
But you said it was already full of space!
What do you mean?
And what stops you showing us your partition table?
Peter
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: efax and .ps files
Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2000 23:58:59 +0000
I am trying to get efax working correctly
I have printed a document to a postscript file. PSView and ghostscript both
open it and show a single page. but when I use 'fax send' or 'fax make' it
produces 22 TIFF files for, I assume 22 pages!
I think it must be somthing to do with the size of paper that efax thinks it's
set to but I have:
PAGE=a4
and
PAGE_a4="21x29.7cm"
in the fax script
Any pointers anyone?
Thanks in advance
David Quinn
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rinkel)
Subject: Re: Which directories should I use RAID on?
Date: 9 Sep 2000 15:09:59 GMT
XWinger ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hi. I have a slow disk and two fast disks and I am planning to run RAID 1
> on those fast disks. But I do not want to dump the slow disk. So I would
> like to know what directories in the tree should I use RAID on to gain
> more average performance. Thanks in advance.
You may want to look in the MultiDisk HOWTO, chapter 4. For a number of
directories it lists the expectable size, importance and usage.
Grtz, Arthur
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Arthur Rinkel)
Subject: Persistent Superblock, mkraid (SoftRAID)
Date: 9 Sep 2000 19:48:08 GMT
Hello,
A problem I had lately was with an RAID0 array (md0 = sdd2 + sde2)
with the P.S. enabled. I added a second RAID0 array (md1 = sdf2 +
sdg2) which changed the device name 'mapping': md0 and md1 got
switched. Trying to startup md0 failed because sdd2 and sde2 no
longer 'map' to the original drives of md0, but instead to the
newly added drives, which are uninitialized. Changing the device
names in /etc/raidtab didn't help either. To fix the problem I
changed the drive IDs so each drive got its original device name
again. Is it also possible to fix this with the raidtools (leaving
data on array intact)?
In the man page of "mkraid" there's a note that states that
initializing an array (with "mkraid") destroys the data on the
drives. However, for an array without a P.S. it seems to be
necessary to run "mkraid" for the appropriate array to get it
'active'. After this it can be mounted and the data on the drives
is still intact. This is a bit contrary...
But, what I'd like to know is if it's save to run "mkraid" on an
array to change a setting like the P.S., the chunk size, or the
drive device names without destroying the data on the array. I'm
not eager to try and find out ;)
Grtz, Arthur
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