Linux-Misc Digest #245, Volume #26 Mon, 6 Nov 00 08:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows (Erik de Castro Lopo)
Re: LINUX utility to change IRQ on 3C509 (Stefan Silberstein)
Re: poweroff doesn't power off (Stefan Silberstein)
Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows ("Peter T. Breuer")
keyboard problem with gnome ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: RPM database? (ray)
Re: HD mirror (CDM)
Re: poweroff doesn't power off ("Kilian A. Foth")
Re: Why, ext2 don't need defrag (CDM)
Re: kde2.0.0: is it stable? (CDM)
hpbuilder and RH6.2 ("R.K.Aa.")
Re: poweroff doesn't power off (Stefan Silberstein)
Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Time Prob (Jean-David Beyer)
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From: Erik de Castro Lopo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 09:21:54 GMT
Peter wrote:
>
> The reports of reliability and performance problems in this newsgroup
> show one trend. The things that make Windows doze or die are the
> things that make Linux and UNIX doze/die.
Like virii that are autorun by the standard mail reader for the
platform? No, thats only on windows.
Like runaway user processes that bring the OS kernel to a screaming
halt? No, thats also windows?
Like kernel functions that don't check their input arguments causing
kernel data corruption? Yep, thats windows.
> The performance enhancements
> suggested for Linux today are the performance enhancements suggested
> for Windows 5 years ago and MVS 25 years ago.
You care to enunerate? What was it that windows had 5 years and
linux is only just getting.
> They also apply to OS/2,
> AS/32/34/36/400 and just about every other OS out there.
>
> New systems always work faster because new disks are faster, new disk
> partitions are less congested and the small amount of data on the disk
> is in the highest performance zone. 123,000,000 people have used this
> phenomenon to justify spending a lot of money on an Intel processor.
That must explain the countless number of out-dated machines which are
made into useful firewalls, web servers and mail servers running Linux.
These are the same machines that wouldn't even be able to boot win95
let alone WinNT.
> 88% of new computers are sold with less than half the memory they will
> need for daily operation yet the speed and cleanliness of the new disk
> will make the PC page so fast that the overall performance will appear
> better.
>
> 6 months later the "CPU" seems to slow because the disk partitions are
> full and congested. Intel sell you a new CPU that requires a different
> chipset so you will buy a complete new PC and get a faster hard disk
> that will make the new CPU look faster.
>
> What would be better is a good disk cleanup program. Diskeeper and
> Raxco provide tools that perform trivial cleanups on NT. Win 9.5 has
> something less capable. Linux has a bunch of fanatics who claim Linux
> defies the laws of physics.
No, Linux has a filesystem that works. It manages the spare space
on the disk so that the filesystem doesn't become fragmented unless
the disk fills to more than 90% capacity.
Fragmentation is a "feature" of FAT. FAT16 and FAT32 are braindamaged
hacks. The WinNT filesystem is a great improvement over FAT but still
not up to scratch.
> As long as processors process and disks disk, OSs need cleaning up.
> IDE RAID makes a disk performance doubling financial viable for
> desktops at a time when files are doubling in size several times over.
> Disk drive manufacturers are unlikely to implement the improvements I
> recommended in 1998 because Windows 98 did not gain NTFS. That leaves
> disks expanding in size at an adequate rate but not keeping up with
> speed. Disk performance management is just as important now as in
> 1970.
>
> What is available for Linux?
Raid. What more would you want?
really, whats the point of coming to this newsgroup and posting crap
like this. If you like windows stick with it. I really couldn't care
less.
Erik
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Erik de Castro Lopo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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The National Multiple Sclerosis Society of America recently started an
advertising campaign with the slogan "MS: It's not a software company".
Seasoned IT professionals will have no trouble telling the two MS's apart.
One is a debilitating and surprisingly widespread affliction that renders
the sufferer barely able to perform the simplest task. The other is a
disease.
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From: Stefan Silberstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: LINUX utility to change IRQ on 3C509
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:13:03 +0100
Default User wrote:
> Why not use a win95, 98 boot disk and start up the machine and then use the
> DOS util?
>
> I did.
>
> You may also have to disable PnP for Linux (and NT4)
>
> "Esa Tikka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 12:09:50 -0500, Volodja K <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >I need to change IRQ and I/O on an ISA 3C509 network card,
> > >using a program that runs in Linux.
> > >I saw one a couple of years ago, but I don't remember where it was.
> > >Can someone point a download site for me?
> >
> > Try http://programs.mini.dhs.org/Current/3c5x9setup/
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Esa Tikka --- esa dot tikka at lut dot fi ---
> > LTKK/ti4 ---> .satan, oscillate my metallic sonataS <---
> > Vote against spam in EU @ http://www.politik-digital.de/spam
The problem is, that 3com provides a *.exe file that has to be extracted. I
can�t extract them with only a Win95-bootdisk.
Hope the link helps me, too.
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From: Stefan Silberstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: poweroff doesn't power off
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:30:04 +0100
"Kilian A. Foth" wrote:
> When I use poweroff (on my SuSE 7.0), I get the proper shutdown
> behaviour right until
>
> "The system will be halted immediately.
> Master Resource Control: Runlevel 0 has been reached"
>
> but no actual powering off. I vaguely recall that immediately after
> installation this would actually power off the system (and I know for
> a fact that the board can do it, since the Evil OS does it, too). What
> could I be overlooking here?
>
> --
> Pain and disappointment are inevitable. Misery is optional.
The "normal" kernel doesn�t support auto-power-down.
With SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 comes a kernel which supports APM.
Install that one or compile a kernel with the support build in.
Stefan
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux/UNIX=Windows
Date: 6 Nov 2000 09:28:01 GMT
Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: As long as processors process and disks disk, OSs need cleaning up.
Nonsense. Uninstall what you don't want or need.
My /usr partition has been at 256MB for the past five years ...
Filesystem 1024-blocks Used Available Capacity Mounted on
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda5 31077 30683 74 100% /
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda6 31077 29372 101 100% /home
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda8 248847 209186 26811 89% /var
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda11
248847 239223 7054 97% /usr
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda9 62187 59669 0 100% /usr/X11R6
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda1 1018298 989094 18682 98% /usr/local
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda10
248847 219573 16424 93% /opt
/dev/ide/disk/a/hda12
31046 30683 32 100% /spare
... blah blah. Yeah, /tmp on /var needs expanding. My machine works
fine, has umpteen versions of netscape ad staroffice, and nexs, and ..
I counted something like 110000 files on the system partitions last
time I looked (this is an o/c'ed celeron 300, by the way, on a BX
board). It compiles for libc5 and runs libc6 as compatible.
Admittedly, /usr/local IS compressed, but well ..
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: keyboard problem with gnome
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:00:04 GMT
Hi
I have installed RH7 with Gnome and KDE on a PC. Everything works as
expected except for the backspace and delete keys under Gnome. I have
tried to set the maps, and keyboard types but to no avail. I have a
win98, 105 key, UK keyboard. The backspace and delete keys just beep
when I press them. However under KDE they work fine. Is there a bug in
Gnome?
Any ideas?
Cheers.
Jon Tsu
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: RPM database?
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 10:09:48 GMT
Janet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I upgraded my version of RPM, and it seems to have deleted my RPM database
> (when I query, there are no packages installed). Is there any way to get
> the old database back? (It's sort of annoying to have it spout 20
> dependency errors when I try to install stuff.)
>
> Thanks,
> Janet
Try the rpm --rebuilddb command
--
Ray R. Jones
Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.
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HTTP://raymondjones.net
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CDM)
Subject: Re: HD mirror
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 11:53:00 +0100
RAID on Linux is the magic word...
see http://linas.org/linux/raid.html
"Oliver Marugg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> HI,
>
> How could I do a full mirror/backup of a harddisk to another one, so
> that I could change the disk in case of a fault. Including LILO etc. We
> are using Suse 6.4.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> OIiver
>
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From: "Kilian A. Foth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: poweroff doesn't power off
Date: 6 Nov 2000 11:24:32 GMT
Stefan Silberstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Kilian A. Foth" wrote:
>> When I use poweroff (on my SuSE 7.0), I get the proper shutdown
>> behaviour right until
>>
>> "The system will be halted immediately.
>> Master Resource Control: Runlevel 0 has been reached"
>>
>> but no actual powering off. I vaguely recall that immediately after
>> installation this would actually power off the system (and I know for
>> a fact that the board can do it, since the Evil OS does it, too). What
>> could I be overlooking here?
>>
>> --
>> Pain and disappointment are inevitable. Misery is optional.
> The "normal" kernel doesn�t support auto-power-down.
> With SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 comes a kernel which supports APM.
> Install that one or compile a kernel with the support build in.
Hmmmm. Since it used to work, and I definitely didn't install a new
kernel, the functionality must be there. How to re-enable it?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CDM)
Subject: Re: Why, ext2 don't need defrag
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:07:49 +0100
Your linux system counts the number of boots, and triggers this check when
the count expires
to be on the safe side (a cleaning lady coming to check if all is still
allright).
"Robert Heller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Paul Lew),
> In a message on Sun, 05 Nov 2000 17:36:15 GMT, wrote :
>
> PL> On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 14:27:31 -0000, Robert Heller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> PL> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne),
> PL> > In a message on Sun, 05 Nov 2000 06:21:15 GMT, wrote :
> PL> >
> PL> >CB> In our last episode (Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:13:34 -0500),
> PL> >CB> the artist formerly known as dan said:
> PL> >CB> >I understand that the ext2 filesystem is a little "smarter" then
the fat
> PL> >CB> >fs, and it does not need to be defrag. But can someone explain
why, I
> PL> >CB> >mean the physical architecture of how the ext2 fs works, or if
it's too
> PL> >CB> >much to explain does anyone know of a site that can thoroughtly
> PL> >CB> >breakdown how the ext2 fs works.
> PL> >CB>
> PL> >CB> See:
> PL> >CB> <http://step.polymtl.ca/~ldd/ext2fs/ext2fs_toc.html>
> PL> >CB> Analysis of the Ext2fs structure
> PL> >CB>
> PL> >CB> As well as the references by R�my Card and Theodore Ts'o that are
> PL> >CB> referenced therein.
> PL> >CB>
> PL> >CB> It is _NOT_ a "comparative analysis of ext2fs _as compared to DOS
FAT_"
> PL> >CB> and thus will not provide a detailed answer as to _why_ ext2 is
better.
> PL> >CB>
> PL>
> PL> ??? SuSE 6.3 has the following msg:
> PL> EXT2-fs warning: checktime reached, running e2fsck is recommended
> PL>
> PL> Doesn't e2fsck also "defrag" a bit as well as checking the
file-system?
> PL>
>
> No. It just checks the file system. The "EXT2-fs warning: checktime
> reached, running e2fsck is recommended" is not specific to SuSE. It is
> a normal part of the EXT2-fs code.
>
>
>
>
> --
> \/
> Robert Heller ||InterNet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/~heller || [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (CDM)
Subject: Re: kde2.0.0: is it stable?
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 12:02:38 +0100
Did you remove v1 first, this includes user setting files (.kde dirs and
files) etc. There might be a mix of left behind junk.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8u37et$sg4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hi out there...
>
> I recently installed kde2 (from suse.de). It looks very nice, it is
> inituitive etc. but I got a problem with stability. Konqueror crashes
often,
> xmms freezes when playing the first song (after about 30s it will start to
> play). When I'm running the demos from lokisoft.com, the whole X-Server
> crashes (which is probably a problem of these ugly nvidia-drivers).
However
> kde 1.* seems to be a lot more stable to me. Is this a general phenomena
or
> is it my configuration?
>
> -j
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
Opinions expressed herein are my own and may not represent those of my employer.
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From: "R.K.Aa." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: hpbuilder and RH6.2
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 12:53:36 +0100
IBM's HomePage Builder doesn't even want to start on my system.
When starting with hpbuilder -e, it just goes through my ~/.hpbuilder
dir, updates all timestamps there, and exits quietly.
Trying to see what happens with gdb, i just see that it "exits normally"
Dumping stderr/stdout to a file creates exactly 0 bytes.
I had the same problem with "old" toppage as well.
I have more PATH statements than i like to know about by now, and have
exported environments ad infinitum. No go.
No other wine-installation around to confuse the hpbuilder-wineserver.
Has anyone had the same problem? And - solved it?
K.
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From: Stefan Silberstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: poweroff doesn't power off
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 13:09:04 +0100
"Kilian A. Foth" wrote:
> Stefan Silberstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Kilian A. Foth" wrote:
>
> >> When I use poweroff (on my SuSE 7.0), I get the proper shutdown
> >> behaviour right until
> >>
> >> "The system will be halted immediately.
> >> Master Resource Control: Runlevel 0 has been reached"
> >>
> >> but no actual powering off. I vaguely recall that immediately after
> >> installation this would actually power off the system (and I know for
> >> a fact that the board can do it, since the Evil OS does it, too). What
> >> could I be overlooking here?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Pain and disappointment are inevitable. Misery is optional.
>
> > The "normal" kernel doesn�t support auto-power-down.
> > With SuSE 6.4 and 7.0 comes a kernel which supports APM.
> > Install that one or compile a kernel with the support build in.
>
> Hmmmm. Since it used to work, and I definitely didn't install a new
> kernel, the functionality must be there. How to re-enable it?
Sorry, then I think I can�t help you (I am not that pro)
When I would encounter that kind of problem, I would reinstall the original
kernel or rebuild one with the support, but perhaps you get some responses
with more help.
Bye,
Stefan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat,alt.os.linux,comp.unix.solaris,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues
Date: 6 Nov 2000 12:32:59 GMT
On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 18:47:30 GMT, Jeff Jeffries wrote:
>I need to choose either GNOME or KDE. I will be doing computationally
>intensive C++, with very heavy disk I/O. Results will be displayed in 3D
>preferrably with OpenGL.
>
>1. Are GNOME and KDE C++ and/or object oriented? How will this affect
>developing with C++?
GTK has a C++ toolkit, gtk--. QT/KDE are OO. Both are OO and similar in
design.
>2. I know GNOME has gtkglarea; does KDE?
KDE has something that lets you write OpenGL applications.
>3. What else should a C++ developer know?
I prefer Qt because it has better documentation, and C++ is the primary
language binding. YMMV.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.advocacy,linux.redhat,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues
Date: 6 Nov 2000 12:40:51 GMT
On Mon, 06 Nov 2000 01:33:33 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Well, KDevelop 1.3 (for KDE) just came out, so if you need an IDE to
>work within that might be your best choice. GNOME has glade, but I
>found it less confusing to just code the stuff from scratch myself.
KDevelop is an IDE, which uses an automake/autoconf based build under the
hood. Their default configure.in files are quite handy if you're going to be
writing any KDE/QT based projects. (however, I prefer to steer clear of
automake. I find the automake-Makefiles very messy)
Glade on the other hand is a GUI builder, which generates XML GUIs. the
idea is that you build the GUI by way of drag-and-drool and just implement
the callbacks ("slots" in Qt-speak) by hand. The intriguing aspect of
glade is that the GUIs can be built on-the-fly at runtime from the
XML files. Only the callbacks need to be read at compile-time.
This is very similar to the Qt designer package. However, it seems that
Qt designer works by generating all the source code (and it appears that
it forces you to derive just to implement the slots by hand, which is
very annoying. In contrast with glade, which uses a seperate file
callbacks.c for its "slots" that doesn't get overwritten on subsequent
runs of glade)
--
Donovan
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From: Jean-David Beyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Time Prob
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 07:53:38 -0500
Michael Perry wrote:
> On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 11:48:47 GMT, ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"K. Creed" wrote:
> >
> >> When I first boot up Linux and launch X the time is displayed correctly,
> >> but after awhile it resets to a time six hours prior. I've used the
> >> date command which works temporarily but the time still resets
> >> incorrectly after awhile.
> >>
> >> Any suggestions?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance,
> >>
> >> Kris
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > Yes, and, after you get that going your way, implement NTP. It's simple
> >to install, and will be the end of issues involving the right time on your
> >machine. <shameless plug> A page for configuring XNTPD is at
> >http://www.raymondjones.net/ntpguide.html </shameless plug>
> >
> >--
> >Ray R. Jones
> >Errors have been made. Others will be blamed.
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >HTTP://www.raymondjones.net
> >
> >
> >
> NTP works great if you have a fulltime connection to the net. As an
> example, I use NTP to connect to a timeserver on a server which has a
> fulltime connection. Then I install something like ntpdate which I run as a
> cron job every few hours against my local box; which now acts as a time
> server for my home network. I believe that NTPdate works better if you do
> not have a fulltime network connection (like dialup ppp).
>
> Just ImO, and YMMV :)
>
> --
> Michael Perry
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ------------------
I use rdate to set my clocks on my two machines. This machine is logged into
the Internet a lot of the time, but by no means a full-time connection. Cron
tries to run rdate 4x a day, but it tries only if I am connected to the
Internet, so I update my clock at most 4x a day, and sometimes several days go
by without setting it. Both machines keep pretty good time without it. In fact,
Linux keeps extremely good time, usually exact, but sometimes losing a few
seconds a day.
My other machine is seldom connected to the Internet. It runs rdate every hour
off the hour to this machine. So these generally are within a second of each
other.
I think using time standards on the Internet is NOT THE SOLUTION for people
whose hardware clocks are set wrong, whose timezones are messed up, or whose
/etc/adjtime file is messed up. They should fix those problems first. Otherwise
they are just putting a band-aid on a ruptured appendix.
--
.~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642.
/V\ Registered Machine 73926.
/( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey
^^-^^ 7:45am up 12 days, 20:03, 3 users, load average: 3.27, 3.24, 3.13
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