Linux-Misc Digest #279, Volume #26 Fri, 10 Nov 00 10:13:01 EST
Contents:
Re: Kmail ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: backups via NFS ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: remove LILO (Damien Dumont)
Re: Another question about the development of Linux (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Best Distro For Newbie.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The best tools to sync system time for FreeBSD, SuSE Linux AIX and Windows98?
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Questions about qmail ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help! Linux router between two NT networks. (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Help! Linux router between two NT networks. (Vulcan)
Hard Disk Activity ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Help! Linux router between two NT networks. (Robert Kiesling)
Re: Best Distro For Newbie.... ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Unicode under XFree86 (Andrzej Zielinski)
Re: Kmail (Gregory Spath)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Kmail
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:10:31 +0100
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:30:03 -0000, RickV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>How do you do this? Can you with Mandrake 7.1?
??? There are kde2 binaries for Mandrake 7.2 on the kde server. If you need
kde2 on Mandrake 7.1, I guess you have to compile the stuff.
--
Eggert Ehmke
Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.setup
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 08:10:22 -0500
Subject: Re: backups via NFS
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 11/10/00
at 01:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jerry McBride) said:
>You can dd the partition to be backed-up, then compress it and then toss
>it to tape or whatever.
>As for speed... What kind of cable are you connecting your two computers
>with? Over here I've been using NFS over plip on a laplink cable.
>Flawless backup operations, if a bit slow. I've got it all setup via a
>couple of scripts... I just plug it all in, start the scrips and go to
>bed. Next morning, my laptop is backed-up to cdr. My seat-o-da'-pants
>meter says this is all running like about 2 or 3megs per minute...
>If I were to buy a couple of lan cards, this would be a LOT faster...
>:')
I'm having trouble with my main machine right now, darn it! Everything's
on hold until I can boot back in.
Anyway, I've got a cross-over cable with NIC in the desktop (3com) and
some kind of no-name (popular here in Germany, I think) in the laptop.
Unfortunately I don't have a burner yet or a tape-drive but hope to in a
little bit, or I'll just get another HD for backup.
So, I guess in my case, backup should be pretty fast.
I thought the answer would be 'dd' but I wanted to be sure.
Thanks for the helpful reply!
F.
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Felmon John Davis
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Union College / Schenectady, NY
os/2 - ma kauft koi katz em sack
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From: Damien Dumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.help,comp.os.linux.questions,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: remove LILO
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:47:47 +0100
> I would like to remove LILO from MBR, and I want to know if I lose the
> information on my Hard Disk ( it is partioned in 2 partitions) if
> execute the command fdisk/mbr . If so, what can I do to remove it
> from the MBR ? (executing the command Lilo in LInux doesn=B4t work)
If you remove LILO from MBR (with fdick /mbr), you 'll be able to access
to your Linux partition by booting from a LILO on a floppy or from a
lilo on bootable CD.
Damien
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Subject: Re: Another question about the development of Linux
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:06:11 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 02:37:47 -0500, Jason Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Another thing i am wondering about: Who actually release the Linux
> >kernal? Who decide if the current version is a prerelease or an official
> >release?
>
> As far as I know, Linus Torvalds still has a hand on this. You will find a
> copyright notice of him in most of the kernel sources, and he owns a
> registered trademark of Linux.
Linus is the one who uploads the stable kernel distros to
ftp.us.kernel.org, afaik; s/us/<your-country-abbrev>/. I'm not sure
where development and interim versions reside. They're announced on
freshmeat.net and linuxtoday.com, as well as on the linux-kernel
mailing list.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Best Distro For Newbie....
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:05:36 GMT
"Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In this case the original question was plain silly ("what is the
> best distro for a newbie to learn on") and I had no intention of
> treating it as though it were a well thought-out one! "Slackware" is
> a fine response. He asked what would be best for learning, didn't
> he?
> : But, my post was not meant as a personal attack. I was simply
> : trying to say that whatever works some someone can be "right" for
> : them - that there are no
> What "works" is not an issue. What is the best distro to learn on,
> is. And in my opinion, slackware is. Failing that, a copy of
> coherent unix from way back when may also be a good starter. Both
> have the merit of not hiding the works under layers of obfuscation.
What should enter into this is some examination of precisely _what_
the newcomer wants to learn.
If the newcomer has a desire to actually understand what Linux is
about, then I could readily go along with the idea that trying out
Slackware is indeed a very good idea.
The gentle newcomer should, in that case, install Slackware, and then
"fiddle with it" to the point of destruction.
The gentle user should then _try_ to fix things up, in the interests
of understanding system facilities and strategies for recovering from
problems; at some point it makes sense to write off the given
installation, and start afresh with the benefit of all the lessons
already learned.
On The Other Hand, the Gentle Newcomer may _NOT_ be interested in
actually understanding Linux and the underpinnings of Unix thereof,
but rather want merely to have an installation of a "fairly robust OS
with lots of free software."
In which case we can be fairly clear that the scope of the desired
"learning" is pretty limited. In a sense, in this situation the user
_doesn't_ want to learn, but rather merely to "install k001 stuff," in
which case the prettier the installation process is, the better.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@hex.net")
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/linuxdistributions.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #15. "I will never employ any device with
a digital countdown. If I find that such a device is absolutely
unavoidable, I will set it to activate when the counter reaches 117
and the hero is just putting his plan into operation."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.unix.aix,comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc
Subject: Re: The best tools to sync system time for FreeBSD, SuSE Linux AIX and
Windows98?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:05:37 GMT
"Antony Mak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Does anyone successfully synchronise the system time of various machines
> e.g. Freebsd, SuSE Linux, AIX and Window98?
Um, yes. There is a standardized protocol for time synchronization,
and both servers and clients for a whole host of operating systems
including all the OSes you mention, as well as Novell Netware, Cisco's
custom router OSes, and a bunch of others.
See: <http://www.ntp.org/>
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@hex.net") <http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #34. "I will not turn into a snake. It
never helps." <http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Questions about qmail
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:03:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
NAVARRO LOPEZ, =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Manuel
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I don't understanding what to do for creating users using qmail (of
> > course after reading FAQ and Man pages).
> > My installation of qmail is based on RPMs on RH6.2.
> > It is mentionned in DOC that /var/qmail/users must contains several
> > files, but in my case there is no things, I dont have elsewhere
> > directory like rc as mentionned in DOC (however in the install I
making:
> > cd /var/qmail/defaultdelivery
>
> Most probably your control files will be under /etc/qmail/. It seems
to
> me that's because the author organized the files thinking on making
easy
> running qmail on a chrooted jail. RH rpms are adjusted the files
> distribution to the "standard" RH organization.
>
> And about the users... If you're talking about *real* users (I mean,
> with accounts under /etc/passwd) you most probably won't have to do
> nothing special (under the assumption we both are talking about the
same
> RPMs) since a little script is added at /etc/cron.hourly that watch
> /etc/passwd and adds any new user to the qmail/control files (except
for
> those regarded as not to be included in another control file which I
> can't recall rigth now).
>
> > cp -f mdir rc , no error was mentionned), this is the alone
reference to
> > rc. Note also that file ../users/assign does not exist, this is also
the
> > case for smtproutes file.
> > In /var/qmail/control I creating files: defaultdomain, defaulthost,
> > locals, me, rcphosts and configured them as mentionned in the DOC.
> > - Test delivring morks fine for external addresses, but not when I
send
> > to myself the same message (echo to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...).
> > In my /Maildir/new, I can read the error: Sorry can not find any
host
> > named mydomaine.mydomaine.com. (#5.1.2).
>
> First: can your machine be resolved as mymachine.mymachine.com?
really?
>
> > - Test for receiving:
> > telnet 127.0.0.1 25
> > 220 mymachine.mydomaine ESTMP
> > then I tape: HELLO myname and press Return, but I got the error
message:
> > 502 unimplemented (#5.5.1)
> >
>
> Well, it seems nothing good. You migth try 'ehlo myname' instead, but
> it is not the way, but a temp workaround.
>
> > Who can helps me to fixe this?
> > Escuse me in advance this is my first exp�rience with mail servers!!
>
> Then two things:
> 1/ I would suggest sendmail as probably better in your situation (I'm
> not novice in the smtp arena but I found qmail bit'o... cumbersome)
> 2/ If you stay with qmail, you'll probably need dot-qmail and
> fastaliases packets prior to go any further.
Thanks for all this helps.
in /etc there is no qmail. I is in /var. But Maildir is in /home of each
users.
The problems above are in majority resolved. My problem Is now about MUA
configuration. No problem to sent messages, but can not get messages
in my Maildir via MUA. I got message error: "access denied by the
server" after giving my password.
What this is due?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Subject: Re: Help! Linux router between two NT networks.
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:17:20 GMT
And thus, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (UM) writes:
> Basically I have two networks
>
> 192.168.1.0 (255.255.255.0)
> and
> 192.168.2.0 (255.255.255.0)
>
> Instead of buying a Cisco Router I decided to build a linux router/gateway
> to talk between these two networks. Its actually a laptop with two 3COM
> PCMCIA network cards running Mandrake 7.0.*
>
> After reading the docs I am able to ping a computer on 2.* network from the
> 1.* network.
>
> However, I want the computers to be visible in Network Neighborhood ... ie.
> the NT domain in 2.* should be visible in the 1.* window.
>
> What will that take ?
>
> Thanks!!!!
A kernel built with ip-forwarding and/or ip-gatewaying enabled.
Ip-masquerading is also an option. AFAIK, they're not enabled in
commercially distributed kernels, but they're standard options in the
configuration menus of the kernel source tree. Once installed, you'll
also need to enable them; it's not hard, but I haven't used these
features directly. Info should be in the Documentation/ subdirectory
of the kernel source distribution.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vulcan)
Subject: Re: Help! Linux router between two NT networks.
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:25:37 +0000 (UTC)
IP forwarding is enabled ... else I would not be able to ping the computer
on the other network.
There is something else I am missing ...
Do I need to do something with samba ?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Kiesling) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>And thus, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (UM) writes:
>
>> Basically I have two networks
>>
>> 192.168.1.0 (255.255.255.0)
>> and
>> 192.168.2.0 (255.255.255.0)
>>
>> Instead of buying a Cisco Router I decided to build a linux
>> router/gateway to talk between these two networks. Its actually a
>> laptop with two 3COM PCMCIA network cards running Mandrake 7.0.*
>>
>> After reading the docs I am able to ping a computer on 2.* network
>> from the 1.* network.
>>
>> However, I want the computers to be visible in Network Neighborhood
>> ... ie. the NT domain in 2.* should be visible in the 1.* window.
>>
>> What will that take ?
>>
>> Thanks!!!!
>
>A kernel built with ip-forwarding and/or ip-gatewaying enabled.
>Ip-masquerading is also an option. AFAIK, they're not enabled in
>commercially distributed kernels, but they're standard options in the
>configuration menus of the kernel source tree. Once installed, you'll
>also need to enable them; it's not hard, but I haven't used these
>features directly. Info should be in the Documentation/ subdirectory
>of the kernel source distribution.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Hard Disk Activity
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:44:28 -0500
I'm running Mandrake 7.1, installed from Cheapbytes 2-CD set. Running
on a Celeron 466 on Abit BX6Rev.2 motherboard, 64mb memory, 5.3gb
dedicated disk (no DOS or Windoze), partitioned as: /boot = 80mb, / =
3000mb, /swap = 64mb, all the rest unallocated so far.
When I read the included How-to's, Netscape is enabled, as I assume they
are in html format. BUT, I am working off-line. When I select a blue
link line to go to another page, there is a flurry of hard disk activity
(as indicated by the disk busy light) while going to the new page. Once
I get there everything kind of settles down. Then, when I go "Back",
again a flurry of disk activity, and the previous page is displayed.
That is where the fun begins. If I try to scroll up or down on the
page, there is another flurry of disk activity, and the mouse hangs
wherever it happens to be sitting until the activity stops. If I scroll
just one line, there is a multi-second flurry of activity and the mouse
hangs.
Anyone have any idea what is going on?
I figured with /swap set equal to the size of my RAM, there shouldn't be
that much swapping going on.
Thanks for your help, and opinions.
Lambo
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Subject: Re: Help! Linux router between two NT networks.
From: Robert Kiesling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 14:42:19 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vulcan) writes:
> IP forwarding is enabled ... else I would not be able to ping the computer
> on the other network.
>
> There is something else I am missing ...
>
> Do I need to do something with samba ?
>
>
>
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert Kiesling) wrote in
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >And thus, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (UM) writes:
> >
> >> Basically I have two networks
> >>
> >> 192.168.1.0 (255.255.255.0)
> >> and
> >> 192.168.2.0 (255.255.255.0)
> >>
> >> Instead of buying a Cisco Router I decided to build a linux
> >> router/gateway to talk between these two networks. Its actually a
> >> laptop with two 3COM PCMCIA network cards running Mandrake 7.0.*
> >>
> >> After reading the docs I am able to ping a computer on 2.* network
> >> from the 1.* network.
> >>
> >> However, I want the computers to be visible in Network Neighborhood
> >> ... ie. the NT domain in 2.* should be visible in the 1.* window.
> >>
> >> What will that take ?
> >>
> >> Thanks!!!!
> >
> >A kernel built with ip-forwarding and/or ip-gatewaying enabled.
> >Ip-masquerading is also an option. AFAIK, they're not enabled in
> >commercially distributed kernels, but they're standard options in the
> >configuration menus of the kernel source tree. Once installed, you'll
> >also need to enable them; it's not hard, but I haven't used these
> >features directly. Info should be in the Documentation/ subdirectory
> >of the kernel source distribution.
Oops. If a machine on one subnet can ping the other, then each subnet
is visible. If you need other TCP/IP services, they'll need to be
enabled on the Linux system also, I think; look at the documentation
for inetd.conf. Can't help very much with Samba, unfortunately,
because I don't use Windows, but almost certainly each subnets'
machine, and the router, need to recognize the relevant volumes as
shared. The Linux config should be in /etc/smb.conf. If you have
ipchains, or ipfwadm installed, they'll need to be configured also.
--
Robert Kiesling
Linux FAQ Maintainer
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.mainmatter.com/linux-faq/toc.html http://www.mainmatter.com/
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Best Distro For Newbie....
Date: 10 Nov 2000 14:38:17 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> What "works" is not an issue. What is the best distro to learn on,
:> is. And in my opinion, slackware is. Failing that, a copy of
:> coherent unix from way back when may also be a good starter. Both
:> have the merit of not hiding the works under layers of obfuscation.
Actually, add to that list a copy of Linux on the Hurd! I've just tried
out the current distro. Fun! They don't even have vi!
: What should enter into this is some examination of precisely _what_
: the newcomer wants to learn.
Perhaps the newcomer might speak up? No? Oh well, he doesn't know!
Let's get to teach him what we think is good for him, then.
: If the newcomer has a desire to actually understand what Linux is
: about, then I could readily go along with the idea that trying out
: Slackware is indeed a very good idea.
And what else would you understand by the word "learn"?
: The gentle user should then _try_ to fix things up, in the interests
: of understanding system facilities and strategies for recovering from
: problems; at some point it makes sense to write off the given
: installation, and start afresh with the benefit of all the lessons
: already learned.
Took me weeks to discover that my machine (a 486) kept spontaneously
self destructing because of bad memory. I recall putting together about
100MB of fragments from lost and found back into the semblance of a
file system one afternoon.
: On The Other Hand, the Gentle Newcomer may _NOT_ be interested in
: actually understanding Linux and the underpinnings of Unix thereof,
Then the word "learn" is being used in a sense that does not mean
"learn", but instead "experience", or "taste".
: but rather want merely to have an installation of a "fairly robust OS
: with lots of free software."
Maybe, but that's not what he said!
: In which case we can be fairly clear that the scope of the desired
: "learning" is pretty limited. In a sense, in this situation the user
: _doesn't_ want to learn, but rather merely to "install k001 stuff," in
: which case the prettier the installation process is, the better.
However, he said "learn", and I was happy to take him at his word.
I agree that you may learn at different levels. A course in computing
for secretarial skills does not have _anything_ in common (except the
name) with a course in computing for postgraduate mathematicians or
engineers (err .. well, usually). Nevertheless, I wouldn't say the
secretarial course teaches you anything about computing. The question
is basically whether the skills acquired are transferable to different
situations or not. If yes, then that indicates the acquisition of new
brain pathways. Learning. And the best method of growing new brain
pathways is to solve problems - for yourself. Indeed, is there any
other way?
Peter
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From: Andrzej Zielinski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Unicode under XFree86
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:44:00 +0100
Rafael wrote:
> I have Linux Mandrake but I can use my native fonts iso8859-2. They are
> used in browsers, I can choose proper fonts in iso8859-2 but I can not
> use it to write documents. I set proper keyboard but still I am getting
> fonts from iso8859-1. What should I do to be able to use my native
> polish truetype fonts in X WIndow. I am using KDE 2.0 and Gnome 1.2.
> Where to look for problem, I suppose it is very solution of my problem.
If you print a file try to catch PostScript that is sent to your printer
and modify them to get proper fonts.
Example, for netscape set the Print Command.:
ogonkify -AT -N | lpr
ogonkify can be found in the a2ps RPM. Perhaps you could get the same by
'a2ps' instead of 'ogonkify'
Czesc
Andrzej.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gregory Spath)
Subject: Re: Kmail
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:05:48 -0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To receive root's mail, alias root to your account. Dunno why you would want
to manually send mail as root, but you can do that with kmail identities.
--g
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 01:30:04 -0000, RickV <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>I'm using Kmail for my main e-mail/internet acounts..is there a way to get
>>it to also send and recieve local mail? (ie. my "root" mail)
>>Like the different "personalities' in Eudora...
>
>To have different identities, you have to switch to kde2. kmail has improved
>a lot.
>
>--
>Eggert Ehmke
>Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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