Linux-Networking Digest #424, Volume #11          Sat, 5 Jun 99 21:13:30 EDT

Contents:
  3c5x9 and SuSE (root)
  sendmail forwarding... (Matt Templeton)
  Re: How can I masquerade more than one network? (Malware)
  Getting AOE to work behind a linux masquerade box ("Caleb")
  what pcmcia ethernet cards work (Carl Karsten)
  Re: ppp connection ("Andy Greenshaw")
  Re: PnP Probs! ("Guo Quin")
  Trying to find pump 0.6.7 (Erik Symonds)
  Re: basic network question (Steve Feehan)
  network activity tracker. (Gutrot)
  need help with ethernet card please! (urgrue)
  Re: Remote Access Dial Out? (Michael Wilson)
  Re: samba and win98 reg hack (Steve Feehan)
  dynamic IP ?!?!? ("vs")
  interpretation of nmap results ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Serious timeout problem with masq (Michael Wilson)
  Re: interpretation of nmap results ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: ppp LCP problem (Clifford Kite)
  PPPD error message (FreeLorn)
  Laptop and tulip driver.... ("Otto")
  Re: Mirc DCC sending files problem from behind firewall (FreeLorn)
  What are these "Something Wicked happened!" messages (Ying Zhang)
  Linksys HomePNA (HPN100) card driver? (Gerard Talatinian)
  ipchains & Email, new issue (Matt Templeton)
  Re: What is the best why to connect win95 /dos to linux ("Jan Johansson")
  Re: Reliable (!) nic for 2.2 kernel? (Peter Samuelson)
  Re: sendmail forwarding... ("Michael Faurot")

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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 3c5x9 and SuSE
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 17:22:08 -0400

        It turns out that SuSE 6.0 and probably 6.1 have a 3c5x9 ethernet card
setup utility called 3c5x9setup in the /sbin directory.  I only found it
after downloading the DOS version from 3com and rebooting into windows.  It
looks like it is totally unnecessary.  I don't know if RH has the same
utility, but it would have saved me a pile of trouble if I had noticed it
earlier.  I am posting it here, since a lot of other people seem to be
having trouble with configuring this card.  So, if you have a 3c509 or
3c509b and a recent distribution, you might be able to configure the card
without the bother of booting into DOS.  It is too late for me, but I am
posting this in hopes of saving others some time and trouble.

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From: Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: sendmail forwarding...
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:33:56 +0000

I have a small network with a linux box doing masquerading. I need to
forward all incoming mail to MS Exchange running on an NT server behind
the linux. I want to use sendmail on the linux box to forward all mail
to the server, but every time I try, I get an Email back stating that
forwarding has been denied. How can I configure sendmail to forward
every thing it receives to the exchange server???


Thanks! My O'reilly Sendmail book is on order but will not get here in
time...


Matt

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From: Malware <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How can I masquerade more than one network?
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:07:57 +0200

Hi Bono,

you wrote:
> Firstly, what is the default gateway for client2?

192.168.1.1

> Secondly, What shoud I do at the masq server to enable client2 access
> internet?
> For example,
> should I add following command?
> ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0 ?????

Yes, or modify the exsting one to handle "192.168.0.0/23" instead of
"192.168.0.0/24".


Malware

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From: "Caleb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.games.microsoft.age-of-empires
Subject: Getting AOE to work behind a linux masquerade box
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 17:22:16 -0400

Hi,
    I have noticed that some people were having trouble getting Microsoft
Age of Empires working behind a NAT, here is the ipautofw ruleset that I
use:

ipautofw -A -r udp 2300 2400 -h www.xxx.yyy.zzz
ipautofw -A -r tcp 2300 2400 -h www.xxx.yyy.zzz
ipautofw -A -r tcp 28800 28912 -h www.xxx.yyy.zzz
ipautofw -A -r udp 1410 1450 -h www.xxx.yyy.zzz
ipautofw -A -r tcp 1410 1450 -h www.xxx.yyy.zzz

(www.xxx.yyy.zzz is the IP of the machine on the network to be playing AOE)

I have tested this on a RedHat 5.2 installation with the Linux Kernel
version 2.0.36 patched with the ipport patch, and a udp "gaming" patch.

Happy Gaming,
Caleb Land
([EMAIL PROTECTED])



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From: Carl Karsten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: what pcmcia ethernet cards work
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 15:30:27 -0500

What pcmcia cards are well supported? I don't need the modem any more,
the machine I am getting has two slots.

^Carl Karsten


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From: "Andy Greenshaw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ppp connection
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 1999 22:30:47 +0100

Check the interrupt for your modem is set correctly (use setserial
/dev/modem (or /dev/ttyS?)
If not correct set by setserial /dev/whatever irq n where n is the real  IRQ
for the modem.


Jason S Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:TQI43.1535$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I've tried setting up a PPP connection for a dial up connection and
> configured my modem through the control panel.  Linux for some reason will
> not even talk to me modem.  It starts executing something then it just
sits
> there laughing at me.  Does anyone know what is going on?  Any help or
> pointers would make my week
>
>



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From: "Guo Quin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PnP Probs!
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:50:39 GMT

Hello.
Do it in mobo BIOS.

Kieu

Mike Kerr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>     I'm using a 3Com 3c509b NIC. It's by default plug and play, which I
> want to disable, since we Linux people don't need no stinkin' plug and
> play!
> Anybody know an easy way to do this? I've tried messing around with
> DOSEmu, but that ain't working too well right now...
> Thanks
> Mike
>



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Erik Symonds)
Subject: Trying to find pump 0.6.7
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:11:32 GMT

I had found a link within one of the linux newsgroups for an updated 
pump.  Ver 0.6.7.  This was the link I found:

ftp://updates.redhat.com/6.0/i386/pump-0.6.7-1.i386.rpm

but the only thing there is the kernel update.  Anyone have a correct 
link for pump 0.6.7?

Thanks,
~e

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From: Steve Feehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: basic network question
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 17:07:36 -0500

Are you doing a direct connection from one nic to the other or through a hub? If
it's a direct connection, you may not have a "crossover cable". The package of
the cable you have bought should be clearly labled as a crossover cable. If it's
not, then it's probably not.  Here is a link on how to make a crossover cable:

http://www.gcctech.com/ts/doc/crossover.html

or a little more in-depth:

http://makeitsimple.com/how-to/dyi_crossover.htm

Hope this helps.

Steve

Fabian M�ller wrote:

> Until now I have tried the connction with the BNC-cable-connection. But today
> I have bought me
> a Twisted Pair cable. The Package says the following:
>
> Twisted Pair Network-Cable
> 2 x RJ45-plug with Level 5 cable
> For connection of two network-components with RJ45-jack.
> The use of Level 5 cable guarantees highest data-safety.
>
> I think that this should work, but I am still not able to ping my other host.


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From: Gutrot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: network activity tracker.
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 21:40:54 GMT

I'm looking for a program that will monitor metwork activity on my
simple network.  My network is two windows95 machines masq'd
through my RH5 box.

An exapmle of what I'm looking for:

Say one of the windows95 machines, I start downloading something big
via ftp and I leave it.  I then leave the house and go to work, while
it downloads.  What I would like to see is how many packets are going
through my network machine when I ssh to it from work...  so I can see
how fast the download is going or if it has completed.  Something that
displayed kb/sec going through my modem would be awesome!

Any known console tools that would do this for me...?

-Gut

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (urgrue)
Subject: need help with ethernet card please!
Date: 5 Jun 1999 22:39:29 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

hi there. 

i've been trying to install a third ethernet card but it refuses to work. 
it's an isa pnp card, and things work okay but once i actually try to use 
it i get errors in my /var/log/messages, referring something like "TX 
error, possible interrupt problem?". there is no irq or port conflict, 
i've checked that. as reported by isapnp (which enables it ok on port 320, 
irq 11) the card is:

# ANSI string -->OvisLink LE-8019R PLUG&PLAY Ethernet Card^@<--

ifconfig gives me the following, with a lot of dropped RX packets 
apparently.
(i've included the whole readout, in case anything else in there is 
relevant).
the offending card is eth2.

eth0 also runs quite slow, and i notice here that there are a lot of 
collisions. could anyone recommend some way to proceed so i could pinpoint 
what the problem is, for both these issues?


eth0      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:48:45:80:17:86
          inet addr:a.b.c.d  Bcast:1.0.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:273937 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:286
          TX packets:9862 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:293
          Interrupt:5 Base address:0x300

eth1      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:48:45:80:10:33
          inet addr:a.b.c.d  Bcast:x.y.z.a  Mask:255.255.255.224
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:272231 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:80386 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:11
          Interrupt:10 Base address:0x200

eth2      Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:4F:4C:00:64:C7
          inet addr:a.b.c.d  Bcast:e.f.g.h  Mask:255.255.255.192
          UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
          RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:497 overruns:0 frame:0
          TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
          collisions:0
          Interrupt:11 Base address:0x320

thanks
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


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From: Michael Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Remote Access Dial Out?
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:48:52 +0000

Theres also a small util called pppsvr-0.2.tgz that installs client and
server software to enable remote dialup....

peter wrote:
> 
> Mitch Appleby wrote:
> 
> > Is it possible to  use Linux as a dial out access using a shared modem on a
> > network?  I see remote access servers as an independent device.  Has this
> > miracle been done yet?
> >
> > Mitch Appleby
> 
> Absolutely. Search the net for PPP, IP Forwarding and Masquerading, and a
> package called diald (Dial Daemon). I have set it up to dial on demand and
> disconnect after some idle time. There's plenty of howtos on them.
> 
> Peter

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From: Steve Feehan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: samba and win98 reg hack
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 17:39:46 -0500

Actually what you'd probably rather do is enable encryption in smb.conf. Then
use smbpasswd to set the encrypted password for samba. Read the documentation
before you do this. I'm probably leaving something out... it's been a while
since i set mine up.

Steve

Dave wrote:

> i have it all set up...only prob is that i ALWAYS get "bad password" when i
> login via my win98 box..where can i get hte registry patch for that so that
> it allows plain text? or what do i need? plz help...thanks
> -dave


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From: "vs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: dynamic IP ?!?!?
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 01:07:03 +0200

hi all,

I newly updated my system from suse 5.3 to Suse 6.1.
My linux box works as a router in a smaller lan.
My ISP works with dynamic IP�s.
The old system (kernel 2.0.35) handled the dynamic IP�s correctly (as I far
I can say ;-)
The new system (2.2.7) drops the first 1-4 packets when the connection is
established.
Of course I applied the dynip patch. (echo 7 >
/proc/sys/net(ipv4/ip_dynaddr).

I looked in my messages files and found messages like 'kernel:
tcp_v4_rebuild_header(): shifting sk->saddr from 192.168.1.88 to
109.208.40.5'

Sounds good but when I make pings to an internetadress I have a loss of 3 or
4 packets at the beginning.
I did not had that with the older kernel. Because of this I have problems
with my other apps such as squid and sendmail. They all work but with
unpredictable delays and so on.
I checked everything (ipppd-configuration, kernelparameters....)
I�m getting crazy. It worked with the old version !!!

Did I forgot something ?

Would be great if someone could help.

Please mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanx

Stephan

PS.: Murphy�s law: Never change a running system ! Haha



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: interpretation of nmap results
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:15:25 GMT

I have a Linux 2.0.26 system with a firewall configured for
masquerading so my internal network can use our full-time T1
connnection. I scanned this machine from an outside address using the
latest nmap beta. nmap could not determine anything about the machine,
and in fact reported the host as not even being up. Yet I can use this
machine to access the Internet (as can my internal machines) and
everything seems to be working fine. Is this too good to be true?
Should I feel some measure of safety if a port scan returns nothing, or
is there much more to the story of guarding against break-ins?

This firewall is protecting a dozen machines, and it's my ass if it
fails to do the job. Suggestions?

Thanks..





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From: Michael Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Serious timeout problem with masq
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:12:21 +0000

Could be that you have your win 9.x clients NIC's setup as full duplex
which is really a speed hinderence.


Wim Borgers wrote:
> 
> hello everyone
> 
> My linux is a masquerading server connected to a cablemodem. Because the
> datalink behind the cablenetwork is a bit overflowed, I've got average
> ping replies of 200ms measured at the server.
> 
> My clients behind the linux have average ping replies of 400ms (double!)
> and a LOT of timeouts (using the same addressses)...
> 
> I have the feeling I have a problem with my linux, bu I have no idea
> what it could be.  Any ideas?  I'm using kernel 2.0.34
> 
> Thanks a lot for any advice (pref. via email)!
> 
> Best Regards
> 
> Wim

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: interpretation of nmap results
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:33:25 GMT

Sorry, I meant to say 2.0.36, not 2.0.26. RedHat 5.2, to be exact.

In article <7jc7hp$ge9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Linux 2.0.26 system with a firewall configured for
> masquerading so my internal network can use our full-time T1
> connnection. I scanned this machine from an outside address using the
> latest nmap beta. nmap could not determine anything about the machine,
> and in fact reported the host as not even being up. Yet I can use this
> machine to access the Internet (as can my internal machines) and
> everything seems to be working fine. Is this too good to be true?
> Should I feel some measure of safety if a port scan returns nothing,
or
> is there much more to the story of guarding against break-ins?
>
> This firewall is protecting a dozen machines, and it's my ass if it
> fails to do the job. Suggestions?
>
> Thanks..
>
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From: kite@NoSpam.%inetport.com (Clifford Kite)
Subject: Re: ppp LCP problem
Date: 5 Jun 1999 18:07:32 -0500

RLopez6836 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: I am having a problem establishing a ppp connection with my university.I use
: the 2.2.7 kernel on RedHat 5.2. Can anyone spot my problem? I am using ppp-on,
: and ppp-on-dialer to make the connection. I have no problem telneting there
: with minicom but it seems the handshake is going wrong when I use ppp. The
: following are the messages I receive, followed by the bulk of the scripts:

: Jun  5 13:03:09 localhost pppd[1332]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
: Jun  5 13:03:31 localhost pppd[1332]: Serial connection established.
: Jun  5 13:03:32 localhost pppd[1332]: Using interface ppp0
: Jun  5 13:03:32 localhost pppd[1332]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem

: Jun  5 13:03:32 localhost pppd[1332]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
:       <asyncmap 0x20a0000> <magic 0x629b5992> <pcomp> <accomp>]
: Jun  5 13:03:33 localhost pppd[1332]: rcvd [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 
:       <asyncmap 0x20a0000> <magic 0x629b5992> <pcomp> <accomp>]
:
 Jun  5 13:03:33 localhost pppd[1332]: sent [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <magic
: 0xe73add01>]
: Jun  5 13:03:33 localhost pppd[1332]: rcvd [LCP ConfNak id=0x1 <magic
: 0xe73add01>]

Pppd is talking to itself.  Note that the sent messages are identical with
the rcvd messages, including the magic numbers.

The modem can be configured this way (e.g. AT&T1) but it is much more
likely that the chat send/expect script is causing this to happen.
One possiblity is that the chat script ends improperly - maybe the
last line has a `\' at the end of it?  Otherwise make sure that chat
-v is used and post both the chat script as well as the chat chatter,
including timestamps, which is usually found in one of the /var/log files.

: exec /usr/sbin/pppd debug lock modem crtscts /dev/modem 57600 \       
: asyncmap 20A0000 escape FF kdebug 0 $LOCAL_IP:$REMOTE_IP \    
: noipdefault netmask $NETMASK defaultroute connect $DIALER_SCRIPT

The first two lines above have a TAB following the visible `\' which also
could cause trouble if they are really in the ppp-on script.  There is
nothing in the log that suggests that this is the actually the case however.


--
Clifford Kite <kite@inet%port.com>                       Not a guru. (tm)
/* The wealth of a nation is created by the productive labor of its
 * citizens. */

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From: FreeLorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: uk.comp.os.linux
Subject: PPPD error message
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:34:16 +0000

Does anyone know what the following errror message means which I get
just after connecting to my ISP via PPP using an ISDN TA. The connection
seems to work okay though.

pppd[2076]: Received bad configure-nak/rej:  12 06 00 00 00 01

Thanks,

Rob




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From: "Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Laptop and tulip driver....
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 1999 00:14:03 GMT

Hello,

   I have a Hitachi VisionBook Pro 7755, with built-in network card. The
card shows up as HITACHI HIAE-80/100 PCI 10/100 Ethernet and works fine
under NT. I installed Redhat 6.0 and setup incorrectly detects the card as
DEC 21040 and uses the "tulip" driver. I tried different drivers for the
actual chip set, which is DEC 21143, and it didn't work. I can ping the card
and it does respond, but pinging out doesn't work.
I searched the web, but couldn't find any other drivers. Does anyone know
where might be one?
TIA...

Otto



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From: FreeLorn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mirc DCC sending files problem from behind firewall
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:49:19 +0000

razoon wrote:

> I have problems on my Win-sneez box when sending files in Mirc with
> DCC. I can receive files but not send.
> I am behind an linux masquerading firewall.
> Has anyone tips for me?

You could try downloading an using something called tircproxy.

Rob



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ying Zhang)
Subject: What are these "Something Wicked happened!" messages
Date: 5 Jun 1999 23:24:11 GMT

I'm using the 2.2.5 kernel that comes with RedHat 6.0 and everynow and then I
see a series of these messages:

eth1: Something Wicked happened! 000a

Sometimes it's 000b

eth1 is a D-Link DFE-530TX using the via-rhine module.  Does anyone know what
these messages mean?

Regards,
Ying

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From: Gerard Talatinian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Linksys HomePNA (HPN100) card driver?
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 19:29:17 -0500

Is there a driver for the Linksys HPN100 card available anywhere?
Thanks,
   -Gerard




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From: Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: ipchains & Email, new issue
Date: Sat, 05 Jun 1999 23:43:29 +0000

Are there any issues with MS Exchange or sendmail sending outbound SMTP
though ipchains doing masquerading??? 

Thanks, Matt

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From: "Jan Johansson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What is the best why to connect win95 /dos to linux
Date: Mon, 31 May 1999 14:30:59 +0200

www.samba.org

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message <7its4s$apg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>I like to use linux as file and printer server for dos / win95 stations.
>what is the easiest / efficient why to do it?
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Peter Samuelson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.development.system
Subject: Re: Reliable (!) nic for 2.2 kernel?
Date: 5 Jun 1999 19:47:03 -0500
Reply-To: Peter Samuelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[bryan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>]
> irix has an ifconfig switch to set speed and duplex.  why doesn't
> linux?  when I proposed this to some linux kernel and networking
> folks, I got totally ignored.  not sure why, really

Hmmm, how does the Linux developers' saying go?

> maybe I'll write it.

Oh yeah.  Now I remember.  "A line of code is worth a thousand words."

It is well to remember that.  I often forget it, unfortunately.  I am
always saying things like "now here is a feature that would be really
neat" ... "this is how I would do things" ... "they ought to write"
... and do not, myself, produce all that much original code.

> even if its not acceptable to some kernel folks, at least 2 people
> think this is the right place for it (ifconfig).. ;-)

<AOL>Three.</AOL>

-- 
Peter Samuelson
<sampo.creighton.edu!psamuels>

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From: "Michael Faurot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: sendmail forwarding...
Date: 5 Jun 1999 23:26:21 GMT

In comp.os.linux.networking Matt Templeton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: I have a small network with a linux box doing masquerading. I need to
: forward all incoming mail to MS Exchange running on an NT server behind
: the linux. I want to use sendmail on the linux box to forward all mail
: to the server, but every time I try, I get an Email back stating that
: forwarding has been denied. How can I configure sendmail to forward
: every thing it receives to the exchange server???

Another way to do this is with a port forwarder on the linux box to
shunt/repeat the connections it gets in on port TCP/25 over to the
exchange box.  

Take a look here for one of these tools:

        http://users.qual.net/~sammy/hacks/

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