Linux-Networking Digest #410, Volume #12 Mon, 30 Aug 99 08:13:40 EDT
Contents:
Re: I don't know the first thing regarding PPP dial-up ("tinman555")
exporting NFS Volumes ("F.Besserve")
Re: Tunneling? How.. (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Morten_B=F8geskov?=)
Re: Ping Problem?? ("tinman555")
latest driver for 3c523 MCA ethernet card? (Georg Schwarz)
Re: Printing on Novell Netware Printer? ("Scott Johnson")
Re: Samba: Linux and NT ("Scott Johnson")
Re: Being an ISP (Bob/Judy Dilworth)
Re: APOP compatible POP deamon for Linux anywhere? (Michele Nicosia)
how to set up pop3 mail ("Kim Yong")
Re: linux <-> win95 dhcp problem (ivan)
Re: linux/apache server (Pat Heuvel)
Re: Load Balancing between 2 routers (Artur Swietanowski)
MySQL, chroot and shared libs ("Sean O'Dell")
Re: How to login Linux from DOS? (Cliff)
Re: MySQL, chroot and shared libs ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Raw socket question? (Nguyen Tuan Hung)
Re: <URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED> 1.27 MILLION packet collisions! (Jan Andres)
Re: Compile Kernel with ROOT NFS support... - fail ("Mingxiao Dou")
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From: "tinman555" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I don't know the first thing regarding PPP dial-up
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:06:51 -0700
you could try linuxconf or netcfg
both will let you add a ppp network device
also, using the pap option (a different way to send passwords)
seems to work the best for me you might want to try that
to dial just type "ifup ppp0" in the console
hope that helps!
mike gore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I just installed Red Hat Linux 6.0 yesterday, and I'm poking around
> xwindows trying to figure it out.
> I finally got the modem "mounted" or whatever and now I need the easiest
> possible answer to being able to dial up my ISP and use the internet.
> I'm sick of rebooting to use my Winchode98 internet connection to find
> linux answers.
> Any Help will be appreciated.
>
> Mike Gore
>
>
>
> ------------------ Posted via CNET Linux Help ------------------
> http://www.searchlinux.com
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From: "F.Besserve" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: exporting NFS Volumes
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:04:58 +0200
I run a RedHat 6.0 files server ; the options for exported volumes on
the /etc/exports file of the server are (rw, no_root_squash) ; in spite
of this configuration, I get the following message on the remote client :
PERMISSION DENIED.
Could somebody help me....Many thanks in advance.
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From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Morten_B=F8geskov?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tunneling? How..
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:13:23 +0200
On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Guy Lancaster wrote:
>> I've got this situation, I've got a couple of computers
>> with a 100Mbit crossover lan between:
>>
>> +--------+ +--------+ |
>> | calvin | eth0 - eth1 | hobbes | eth0 ---+
>> +--------+ 100Mbit +--------+ 10Mbit |
>>
>> Calvin/eth0: 192.168.2.2
>> Hobbes/eth1: 192.168.2.1
>> Hobbes/eth0: 192.168.1.1 /* altered for test-purpose */
>>
>> Now I vould like Calvin to apear as 192.168.1.2 (since I've only got 2
>> IP-numbers on that network), and I can't just plug in another netcard
>> (I'ts an AT&T Globalyst 620, with 2 pci slots, one for netcard (3c905)
>> and one for the Matrox Millenium, with root on nfs).
>>
>
>What you need to set up is an interface for 192.168.1.2 on Calvin, a route
>to 192.168.1.2 on Hobbes, and then a proxy arp for 192.168.1.2 on the eth0
>interface on Hobbes. Thus, when Hobbes/eth0 sees an arp request for
>192.168.1.2, it gives it's own ethernet address. Then when it receives a
>packet for 192.168.1.2, it routes it to Calvin. Calvin of course would use
>Hobbes as a gateway to the rest of the world.
>
>You seem to be able to use the appropriate commands which in this case
>include ifconfig, route, and arp.
>
Thanks for the reply, I've been trying... however I've got two problems...
1). As far as I can see if i telnet (or use any other net-application)
from calvin, it will look like I come from 192.168.2.2 which nobody on the
outside og hobbes knows about... Which could be solved by a masqerade
solution.
2) the arp command. What I do is this:
[root@hobbes /root]# ifconfig eth0
eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:A0:24:C4:F8:13
inet addr:192.168.1.1 Bcast:192.168.1.255 Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING PROMISC MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
RX packets:8396 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:3925 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
Interrupt:11 Base address:0xfcc0
[root@hobbes /root]# arp -n
Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface
[root@hobbes /root]# arp -s 192.168.1.2 00:A0:24:C4:F8:13 pub
[root@hobbes /root]# arp -n
Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface
192.168.1.2 (incomplete) eth0
192.168.1.2 * * MP eth0
[root@hobbes /root]# route add -host 192.168.1.2 gw 192.168.2.2 eth1
at this point I can ping 192.168.1.2 from hobbes, but "arp -n 192.168.1.2"
on any other machine on the outside og hobbes gives:
192.168.1.2 (192.168.1.2) -- no entry
so far, I've got no luck, with the setup...
--
Morten B�geskov (email: [EMAIL PROTECTED])
Do you play golf?
No, I play 'Swearing At A Little Ball
And Beating It Into The Ground With A Club.'"
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From: "tinman555" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Ping Problem??
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:18:01 -0700
if your mask is 255.255.255.0 and your IP is 192.168.1.xxx
then you should only be ping 192.168.1.xxx
and the same thing is for 192.168.2.xxx
so if you REALLY need to have more than 255 IP's
you can change your netmask to 255.255.0.0
Theres an even slicker way, if you only want 1.xxx and 2.xxx
by using some number other than 255 in your netmask, but
i've never bothered to figure out. Anyone know the rules for netmask by
heart?
Vincent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [Using RedHat Linux]
>
> I have 2 computers, one running RH5.1 and the other running RH6.0. When
> I setup the RH5.1 computer as IP address 192.168.1.1 and the RH6
> computer as 192.168.1.10, I am able to "ping" and "telnet" RH5.1
> computer from RH6, and vice versa. But, when I keep RH5.1 computer as
> 192.168.1.1 and change RH6 as 192.168.2.2, I cannot "ping" or "telnet"
> RH5.1 from RH6 and vice versa. Even with the change in IP address the
> subnet of 255.255.255.0 does not change so I should be able to "ping"
> these computers no matter what. But for some reason I cannot. Anybody
> have any ideas??
>
> Vincent
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Georg Schwarz)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.sys.ibm.ps2.hardware
Subject: latest driver for 3c523 MCA ethernet card?
Date: 30 Aug 1999 09:48:38 GMT
I'm using the Linux 2.0.35 "hack" from http://www.dgmicro.com/mca/ on a
PS/2 model 70 with a 3COM 3c523 ethernet card. The driver is marked
experimental, and it seems to have some timing problems. Is there any
later driver for that ethernet card that runs with Linux 2.0.X? (the
machine has only 6 MB RAM, so I don't want to go to 2.2.X)
Thanks.
--
Georg Schwarz ([EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], PGP 2.6ui)
Institut f�r Theoretische Physik +49 30 314-24254 FAX -21130 IRC kuroi
Technische Universit�t Berlin http://home.pages.de/~schwarz/
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Reply-To: "Scott Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Scott Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Printing on Novell Netware Printer?
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:17:11 -0700
If you're using HP Network printing, or Lexmark.. etc.. And you should...
Then just spool out to their IP address... they seem to respond fine to the
lpr / lpd daemons.
Otherwise.. You can install Unix Print Services for Netware, and assign an
IP address to your print queues.. works great as well.. Novell does a fairly
decent job of integrating with Unix, and it's become much easier in the 5
world (IP native).
SJ
Erik Jensen wrote in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>
>
>"Marc D. Bumble" wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have Novell Netware volumes sucessfully mounted using ipx_configure
>> and ncpmount. However, I haven't been able to print properly using
>> nprint. Has anyone had any success printed on Novell Netware shared
> ^^^^^^
> NetWare does not 'share' printers
>
>Nit-picking aside here's what I did:
>
>Note: this is from memory... and I'm assuming you can log in to your
>NetWare tree/server without problems...
>
>I'm using a NetWare 4.11 server. I'd guess that NetWare 5 is quite
>similar.
>
>Since I'm running a small LAN, my NetWare printers are off the root of
>the NDS tree. That way all users, no matter what their context is, can
>access the printers.
>
>I created a user in BOTH Linux and NetWare called 'Printer_User'. THe
>NDS context of Printer_User is off the root. I assigned a password to
>Printer_User.
>
>Then I went to the Linux PC and opened (as root) control-panel from an
>X-term window. I clicked the printer icon and then added an NCP printer,
>making sure that 'Printer_User' was the name of the (dummy) Linux user.
>I also used the password I had previously chosen in NetWare.
>
>Saved and exited control-panel. Then logged into the NetWare server, as
>myself... not root. Printed a text file without problem.
>
>Now if this is too confusing (hell, I did it and it's confusing to ME)
>let me know via e-mail and I'll prepare some screen captures and send
>them to you. Good Luck!
>
>Erik Jensen
>
>
>> printers from Linux? I would greatly appreciate any assistance.
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Reply-To: "Scott Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Scott Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Samba: Linux and NT
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 02:28:20 -0700
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broken.. Anyone else had any luck with it?
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From: Bob/Judy Dilworth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Being an ISP
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:40:16 -0400
Odysseus wrote:
>
> All your questions can be answered if you read the HOWTOs.
Yes, this is probably true, and Assad probably knows this - he may
even have read the relevant HOWTOs. I've found that there are many
things the HOWTOs don't answer. This is a useless response.
Bob Dilworth
Toledo Ohio
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Assad Khan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ok, I want to know how people can dial up to my machine. Also, I want to
> > know how to IP Masq my home network (running 2 WinNT Workstations, 1
> > Win98, and 1 Win95) with a T1 and 100mbit LAN.
> > Specs:
> >
> > Pentium III 500mhz
> > 128mb RAM
> > 2 10/100mbit ethernet cards
> > 1 internal modem (used for when I need to dialup to my machine)
> > Running Slackware 4.0 with kernel 2.2.12 (compiled with everything I
> > need).
> >
> > Assad
> >
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From: Michele Nicosia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: APOP compatible POP deamon for Linux anywhere?
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:46:04 +0000
ftp.qualcomm.com
qpopper
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From: "Kim Yong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to set up pop3 mail
Date: 31 Aug 1999 06:13:34 +1000
Reply-To: "Kim Yong" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all
I've RedHat6.0 installed with sendmail. The linux box is on a LAN.
I'm testing the local mail from a Win95 pc. When i try to check mail
the /var/log/maillog says ipop3d : connected from host
ipop3d: Authenticate Twinkie failure host
Can any body help me ? What have i missed out ?
Thanks
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (ivan)
Subject: Re: linux <-> win95 dhcp problem
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:39:10 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Holger van Koll <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
<snip some useful comments>
many thanks - as you correctly pointed out the card itself seems to have been
not working - what threw me off that track is that ifconfig was showing
dropped packets so i thought that the packets must be being received before
being dropped.
never mind - a new card and all is well
thanks again
ivan.
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From: Pat Heuvel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: linux/apache server
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:35:01 +1000
Gday Brian,
Brain Fisher wrote:
>
> I have been appointed to set up a community ISP for a town pop.5,000 and
> would like to know some really basic stuff. Experienced with HW, windows
> ('ugh') and Internet.(earn an existance creating Web Sites in wider area)
> Can someone please guide me on some vey basic stuff such as minimum PC
> specs. any other hardware & software required. Linux technicalities not
> required at this stage. Have a distribution and quite sure 'I will need a
> little help from my friends' (cyberfriends) in the future.
> thanks brianF
>
Depends on your actual requirements, but you should be able to get quite
a reasonable web server going on a 486DX with 16 meg of RAM (No X
Window). What you haven't stated is whether you will be supporting a lot
of CGI or "active" web pages, or static HTML. Obviously, the more you
want the server to do, the more grunt you'll need.
I am currently running a P133 with 128meg of RAM, with PostgreSQL 6.5.1
(database server), Apache 1.3.6 (haven't upgraded yet :) ), ISC DHCP and
one or two other bits and pieces, and it's still very responsive.
Feel free to email if you have any more specific requirements.
Regards,
Pat
--
+---------------------------------------------------------+
+ "Logic clearly dictates, that the strokes of the many +
+ outweigh the strokes of the two..." +
+ (Apologies to Mr Spock) +
+---------------------------------------------------------+
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From: Artur Swietanowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Load Balancing between 2 routers
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:36:36 +0200
Walter wrote:
> Using Redhat 6.0, and having 2 external routers (both using SUA, i.e.
> masquerading in the router) I would like to balance the load to the
> internet between the 2 routers.
>
> I have tried the route command, but it will always prefer one OR the
> other, not both at the same time.
I think the solution may be to:
(a) recompile the kernel with "euqal cost multipath" option enabled
(it's a part of "advanced router" settings),
(b) put two NIC's in the box,
(c) connect each NIC to one router with *equal* *cost*.
> I hope somebody out there has tried this before and can give me an
> answer...
I haven't tried this, but I stumbled along this information as I was
doing other routing configuration. If you try it out, please, share
it with the NG.
Good luck,
=====================================================================
Artur Swietanowski mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Institut f�r Statistik, Operations Research und Computerverfahren,
Universit�t Wien, Universit�tsstr. 5, A-1010 Wien, Austria
tel. +43 (1) 427 738 620 fax +43 (1) 427 738 629
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From: "Sean O'Dell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: MySQL, chroot and shared libs
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 03:57:56 -0700
Here's one for the gurus. I have a program that uses mysql. It works just
dandy. However, now, for security reasons, I need the program to chroot
somewhere when it runs. (this is not a security question, the program is
just fine...I know chroot gets a lot of people agitated, but this is not
that question) Now it spits out an error saying it can't connect to the
local mysql server (error 111). Take out chroot, it works; put the chroot
back in, error message. I'm sure this is a shared library issue somehow,
but I can't find any definitive information. I've tried recreating almost
the entire /usr/lib directory off of the chroot directory (including the
/usr/lib/mysql directory), but I still get the error. Also, just for the
heck of it, I tried linking my program statically. It linked, but now it
won't run at all and it was titanic in size so I abandoned that route
altogether.
So, what could this be? Shared lib issue with mysql? Anyone have any
advice on how I can work around this? Maybe hard link the libs in the
chroot directory like I tried; maybe I did something wrong? Any advice to
shove me in the right direction would be greatly appreciated.
-Sean
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From: Cliff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How to login Linux from DOS?
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 04:09:33 -0700
Hello,
Go to: http://www.sfu.ca/~yzhang/linux/samba/toc.html
Cliff
GreGo wrote:
> Somebody help me with my problem? I want to login to RedHat 6.0 from
> DOS. How can I do that and when can I find programs for this?
> I use network card Realtek 8019, DOS 6.22.
> Thanks
> GreGo
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.security
Subject: Re: MySQL, chroot and shared libs
Date: 30 Aug 1999 11:25:46 GMT
Have you done "chroot /cage /sbin/ldconfig" ? If you haven't, you should.
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From: Nguyen Tuan Hung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Raw socket question?
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:38:38 +0200
Hi,
I have one question about RAW socket in Suse Linux 2.2.11. In
following my C program code I want reading TCP message with RAW socket
(I now it is not correct)
/*------- serv.c ---------*/
int main(void)
{
int sockfd, n, servlen;
char buf]1028];
struct sockaddr_in serv;
if((sockfd=socket(AF_INET, RAW_SOCK, IPPROTO_TCP))<0) {
perror("Open socket error\n");
return -1;
}
while(1) {
if((n=recvfrom(sockfd, buf, 1028, 0, (struct sockaddr *) &serv,
servlen))<0) {
perror("recvfrom error\n");
return -2;
}
}
if(sockfd) close(sockfd);
return 0;
}
/*------- end ------------*/
Now, the my question is, if IP layer (in /net/ipv4/ip_input.c file
ip_local_deliver() function) receive packet from Ethernet, and check all
RAW socket before deliver packet to highter layer. If the function check
RAW socket, return value is not NULL, but I don't read anything with
socket, and with TCP socket I can read it.
How do "ip_local_deliver" function work? How do I know read TCP message
with RAW socket?
I did it with FreeBSD OS, but in Linux it is difficult, because I
have not any books (not TCP/IP Illustrataed by R. Stevens).
Thank very much.
Hung
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jan Andres)
Subject: Re: <URGENT ASSISTANCE NEEDED> 1.27 MILLION packet collisions!
Date: 29 Aug 1999 10:59:32 GMT
On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:08:20 -0400, Asuka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
| I am running a web server running Redhat 5.2 on a T1 line using a 10/100
| Bay Networks hub and a 3com 10/100 Ethernet card. Since the system came
| online (a couple weeks ago) there have meen 1.27 million collisions and
| it is growing very sparaticly but rapidly.... results range from 1
| collison in five minuits to nine in one minuit. I don't know what would
| be causing this (the rest of the network is running on NT, I have the
| only linux box on there). The issue needs to be resolved ASAP so any
| help ANYONE can give me would be more then appreciated.
I don't exactly understand what your problem is. In a busy network,
nine collisions per minute can be normal. If you want to reduce the
number of collisions (and improve security by protecting against
sniffers), use a switch.
--
Jan Andres [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ham radio: DH2JAN
"Emacs is WYSIWYG. What you see is text, what you get is text." --Kaz
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From: "Mingxiao Dou" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.development.apps,comp.os.linux.development.system,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup,net.computers.os.unix.linux
Subject: Re: Compile Kernel with ROOT NFS support... - fail
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:56:42 +1000
Tried "make config" with /usr/src/linux as current directory ?
Barrow Kwan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:7ptd2h$bg2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I cannot compile the kernel with NFS root support....
>
> I put
>
> CONFIG_ROOT_NFS=y in the config file, but can't compile
>
> I am using RedHat 6.0...
>
> any idea??
>
>
>
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