At , Heimo Claasen wrote:
I find it hard to follow the syntax of this sentence. I don't mean to pick on you, Heimo, but you are getting into very technical areas now, where clarity and precision are at a premium, and I simply can't be sure what you mean by (for example) "as much as could be cut off from".Ray's "first draft to a window manager how-to" did (finally!) give me some insight. (I would like to go longer in reading and putting other bits and pieces in there too - just haven*'t got the time right now, woner when ever...)Practical question: is it possible, and how then, to run X and some application in it at a very "low level", for instance _without_ as much as could be cut off from the libraries (both Gtk and Qt) needed for the "higher level" managers/desktops ?
With that disclaimer, the answer to whatever your question is, most likely, is: it depends on the application. Please try asking the specific question you want answered, about the actual application.
For example, on my Linux workstations, I routinely run Blackbox as a Window Manager, and I run no Desktop Environment. I probably do run some components of the Gnome and/or KDE APIs; Debian dependency management is really very good at handling those sorts of dependency issues without operator involvement. Most applications ... all the ones I care about, in particular ... examples are xterm, eterm, xmms, xine, XMovie, Mplayer, ogle, xawtv, GTKsee, and xvncviewwe ... run fine on this stripped-down system. Possibly some of the Gnome-specific apps would not display or run properly, and I don't attempt to run any whose names begin with K (KDE apps seem a bit pickier about choice of WM than Gnome ones, though I'm not certain of that).
I've never tried it myself, but I seem to recall that Lawson Whitney (are you there, Lawson? acn you comment helpfully?) has in the past run his xserver "bare metal", without even a basic Window Manager. I don't know how versatile he found that setup.
Troubleshooting requires information, and your posting messages about an application you will not identify by name is unlikely to get you any meaningful help. Name the application (include a URL if the app is obscure), describe the GUI problem, and report the basics of the system that you are having it on (what X server, what Window Manager, and which of KDE or Gnome you are running).And how to de-install these latter cleanly without creating new problems ? (The problem I have with that SCSI device and the application for it is not the deveice's functioning, which works Ok., but this application's screen GUI - it's definitely some conflict there with both Gtk and Qt "families", i.e. using either KDE or Gnome. The one occasion it did run well was with a "just window maker" install of X. Thus banning the additional presence of those Gnome/KDE could perhaps avoid that collision, whatever it is.)
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