At 02:00 PM 10/22/2004 -0500, James Miller wrote:
Looking over the framebuffer how to again (fairly dated document by now)
I'm beginning to wonder if maybe my video card doesn't require a special
framebuffer module.  There, under section 5.6 "Got an ATI card?" they
mention a particular module--atyfb.  In my initrd, on the other hand, I
appear to have only the generic vesafb module available.  To test this, I
suppose my options are: 1) recompile the kernel with built in atyfb
module; 2) create a new initrd with atyfb in place of vesafb [and 2a)
enter the correct command for loading that module into menu.lst].  Before
going to the trouble of either of those (a big distraction considering my
level of ignorance and the amount of study and experimentation I'd need to
do for either), I'd just like to ask for an opinion about whether anyone
thinks I might be on the right track to resolving my problem with not
being able to get a 1024x768 console by trying one or other of these?
Feedback, please?


The vesa framebuffer is pretty generic; almost any *modern* video card should be able to drop back to its standards. But I do have older cards, like the ancient S3 I use in one of my test systems, that does not support the vesa framebuffer. If you have an older ATI card, you might have the same problem. I can't find a list of cards that work with vesa, at least not one that is less than 4 years old, so I can't check about your card for sure. I think that as a general matter, folks in the i86 world don't worry much about kernel framebuffers; they are a LOT more important on some other srchitectures.

If you have kernel source installed, look there in ./Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt for some technical discussion of how vesa works.

You said, in your other message, that the display works with Debian-Sid. What exactly do you mean? That is, what kernel and version are we talking about here? Since one installs Sid (usually) by first installing Woody, then doing a dist-upgrade, it is possible that you are actually running some Woody kernel ... conceivably even the old 2.2.something that theinstaller uses ... unless you've explicitly switched to a Sid kernel.

The Debian installer kernel doesn't use the vesa framebuffer. It uses the even more primitive, but as a result more general, vga framebuffer, one that does NOT work with X. It is *possible* that you are seeing a situation where the vga framebuffer works ... it's hard to imagine a video card on which this wouldn't work ... but the card is not vesa comparible.

Your problem description, though, makes me think that your monitor won't sync at 1024x768, and that xdm "fixes" the problem simply because it switches to a supported 1280x1024 mode. (That *sort* of problem is not rare; I've had several monitors that supported 640x480 and 1024x768 in X, but made a mess of 800x600.)

You might want to try 1280x1024 in vesa to see if it works there. Depending on color depth, the values for that are:

         8 bit          0x307   =       775
        16 bit          0x31A   =       794
        24 bit          0x31B   =       795

Finally, I'm at a loss as to why fbset is not working for you. But I don't have the only system with fbset installed here running at the moment. If none of the rest of this helps, post again and I'll try to look at that part of it.



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