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   >    RAID of any level is NOT to be considered a 'backup' method.
   >    There are no assurances built into raid for data reliability.
   >    (ie.  A program which writes corrupted data, a user who types
   > =

   > Identical problem with TAPE!!  In fact it's even worse...

   Whats wrong with tapes???
   With RAID you have just one generation, and the `save` is inside the
   machine all the time (fire, earthquacke), or do you exchange the disks
   for every save? This would be very expensive, compared to the price of
   tapes!


I conclude that most replies are coming from people who didn't read
the post.  It's a NETWORK.  I also conclude that most replys are about
subjects/concepts I didn't raise or posters failed to read the
price/performance data.

Tape is generally a linear process with little chance of ensuring that
the data was actually written correctly, a disk can be easily setup to
verify the write.  Tape is generally a "big block", an error wipes out
significant data, in some classes all of it (hint: are you using
compression to achieve the required capacity?).  Disks are clearly
different for typical errors.  Tape lifetime is rather short compared
to disk drives.  Tapes are not expandable, entire tape systems need to
be junked/replaced when network capacity does it's typical rapid
growth, disks are easily expanded.  The real question is "What is tape
really good for?", but you need to be using tape for awhile to learn
it's limitations.  Alot of people think that an incremental backup
solves the problem, until they need to do a restore...  Consider the
time cost (or it's savings) for random versus sequential access during
recovery.

The cost of a tape system, when the usual 10 to 20 tapes is included
usually exceeds discount disk drive pricing for storage over 10 Gig
when all costs are properly accounted.  Look up the prices on the net,
samples were posted.  I have no idea where the concept of switching
drives everyday appeared, it seems to have been invented for the
purpose of knocking it down (as were most of the suggested strawmen).
Posters generally are comparing 100Gig systems against the post, which
covered SOHOs with 10 Gig networks.  Wake up, there is clearly a
economic difference between the two.


The post was about software, I'm sure the mailing list is not
interested in the other discussions.  I've used tape, generally in
avionics applications for over 13 years, know it's weaknesses and
strengths rather well.  I can count on one hand the number of times a
drive has let me down, I need my toes for tape.


Last off-topic comment:

   > Expand your thinking!

   I suggest you the same!

   Disks are much more expensive than tapes!
   How much costs you 100GB with disks? (n disks + n hotswap drawers)
   How much with tapes? (1 tapedrive + m tapes)


100 Gig of drives from Onsale: $3600.  Could be lowered with a bit of
  patience.  Hotswap not necessary, not main storage.  However, a
  third drive is required, which makes it $5400.

HP C5698 35Gig uncompressed, $6340
Tapes are probably $100+ each.


QED.

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