That would be a correct assesment. I've gotten the new howto, and new 
raidtools - which kernel should i be using, or who's patch should i apply to standard 
kernel source? 
        
        Sorry about the bounce, momentary sendmail misconfiguration while upgrading 
email server. 

 - Eric

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Jakob Østergaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:34:03 +0100

>On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 04:32:14PM -0700, Eric Jorgensen wrote:
>> 
>
>My last mail to you bounced, so I'm trying again.  Sorry if anyone
>gets this twice...
>
>On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 03:41:37PM -0700, Eric Jorgensen wrote:
>> Well, I tried, something seems to be wrong. I had to update raidtools to
>> include the failed-disk directive. that took a while to figure out. someone
>> needs to tap linuxdoc.org on the shoulder and inform them their
>> software-raid-howto is painfully out of date. I'd do it myself but there are
>> too many blunt objects handy.
>
>http://ostenfeld.dk/~jakob/Software-RAID.HOWTO/  is the place for the current
>0.90 software RAID howto.
>
>> ANYway, here's what happens. Sensitive argument replaced per request.
>> 
>> ------------
>> [root@charlotte /root]# ./mkraid --truly-foolish /dev/md0
>> DESTROYING the contents of /dev/md0 in 5 seconds, Ctrl-C if unsure!
>> handling MD device /dev/md0
>> analyzing super-block
>> disk 0: /dev/sdd1, 8883913kB, raid superblock at 8883840kB
>> disk 1: /dev/sde1, 8964238kB, raid superblock at 8964160kB
>> disk 2: /dev/sdb1, failed
>> disk 3: /dev/sdc1, 8883913kB, raid superblock at 8883840kB
>> mkraid: aborted, see the syslog and /proc/mdstat for potential clues.
>> 
>> ---------------
>> 
>>       And here's what dmesg reveals:
>> 
>> ---------------
>> 
>> bind<sdd1,1>
>> bind<sde1,2>
>> blkdev_open() failed: -19
>> md: [dev 00:00] has zero size, marking faulty!
>> md: error, md_import_device() returned -22
>> 
>> ---------------
>> 
>> And here's my raidtab. Sorry for the confusion, sdb is visually marked "4"
>> on the front of the case. Longer story.
>
>Gosh, something is just coming to my mind here...  I was convinced that you
>were running 0.90 RAID, since most people posting on the list are  (stupid
>assumptions come easy).  But I guess you aren't...   Right ?
>
>You're running a kernel with standard RAID, not an -ac or raid-patched kernel I
>guess...   That means the new raidtools (which understand "failed-disk") will
>not talk to your kernel.
>
>I see one way out:  Patch your old raidtools (version 0.42 or so ?) to
>understand the failed-disk directive.   This may involve manual inclusion of
>some patch rejects.  Maybe not.  Don't know.
>
>If I'm really right that you're running the old code, you probably want to
>upgrade to 0.90 once your data are back   :)   The new code is stable, and the
>old code isn't  (you can usually crash a RAID-5 box by stressing the RAID with
>the old code).
>
>
>Another way out would involve upgrading your old array to the new format, using
>the --upgrade switch, but I doubt that it is a very clever thing to do with the
>current state of your array...
>
>The failed-disk patch is fairly small. I guess you can apply it pretty quickly
>even if it doesn't apply cleanly to the older raidtools.
>
>
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