Linux-Setup Digest #502, Volume #19 Mon, 28 Aug 00 22:13:13 EDT
Contents:
Modem for multiple OS's ("Albretch")
Re: How to get latest GNOME distibution (Black Dragon)
Install question - newbie- Laptop ("Gerardo")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Christopher Browne)
Which is best? Red Hat Linux or Corel Linux? ("Tomas Kroown")
GTK/GLIB not working!!!! (Matt)
I upgraded my chip and Linux died!!!!! (Juleen Jenkins)
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From: "Albretch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Modem for multiple OS's
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:22:41 GMT
Hi,
I recently installed in my machine Windows 98, NT4, RH Linux, and Solaris.
I am only having problems with my modem which is not being recognized by
Windows NT.
I queried the modem via AT commands and the result I got follows.
Do you see any changes of making Windows NT digest this modem or do you
know of a similar driver that Windows NT accepts?
I know this is not the right place to ask Windows NT questions :-), in that
case, do you know of a V90 56K modem that can work with all theses OS's?
Thanks
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OK
ati0
5600
OK
ati1
8E51
OK
ati2
OK
OK
ati3
IBM 7852-I51 RS Rev. 1.40.013
OK
ati4
IBM ISA Modem for Windows 56K DSVD Settings...
B0 E1 F1 L0 M1 Q0 V1 X4 Y0
BAUD=57600 PARITY=N WORDLEN=8 SSE=0
DIAL=HUNT ON HOOK
&A3 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1
&M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &U0 &Y1
S00=000 S01=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002
S07=060 S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=070 S12=050 S13=000
S15=000 S16=000 S18=000 S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019
S25=020 S27=000 S28=008 S29=020 S30=000 S31=128 S32=002
S33=000 S34=000 S35=000 S36=014 S38=000 S41=000
LAST DIALED #: T3860053
OK
ati5
IBM ISA Modem for Windows 56K DSVD NVRAM Settings...
Template Y0
DIAL=TONE B0 E1 F1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4
BAUD=9600 PARITY=E WORDLEN=7 SSE=0
&A3 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H1 &I0 &K1
&M4 &N0 &P0 &R2 &S0 &T5 &U0 &Y1
S00=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060
S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=070 S12=050 S13=000 S15=000
S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S25=020 S27=000 S28=008
S29=020 S30=000 S31=128 S32=002 S33=000 S34=000 S35=000
S36=014 S38=000 S41=000
Strike a key when ready . . .
Template Y1
DIAL=TONE B0 E1 F1 L2 M1 Q0 V1 X4
BAUD=9600 PARITY=E WORDLEN=7 SSE=0
&A3 &C1 &D2 &G0 &H2 &I2 &K1
&M4 &N0 &P0 &R1 &S0 &T5 &U0 &Y1
S00=000 S02=043 S03=013 S04=010 S05=008 S06=002 S07=060
S08=002 S09=006 S10=007 S11=070 S12=050 S13=000 S15=000
S19=000 S21=010 S22=017 S23=019 S25=020 S27=000 S28=008
S29=020 S30=000 S31=128 S32=002 S33=000 S34=000 S35=000
S36=014 S38=000 S41=000
STORED PHONE #0:
#1:
#2:
#3:
OK
ati6
IBM 7852-I51 Modem Link Diagnostics...
Chars sent 0 Chars Received 0
Chars lost 0
Octets sent 0 Octets Received 0
Blocks sent 0 Blocks Received 0
Blocks resent 0
Retrains Requested 0 Retrains Granted 0
REJs Received 0 Blers 0
Link Timeouts 0 Link Naks 0
Data Compression NONE
Equalization Long
Fallback Disabled
Last Call 00:14:49
Disconnect Reason is BUSY
OK
ati7
Configuration Profile...
Product type US/Canada Internal
Options V32bis,V.34+,X2
Fax Options Class 1/Class 2.0
Line Options Distinctive Ring,Caller ID
Voice Options Speakerphone,TAD
DSVD Options TS1
DSP Freq 46.0Mhz
DSP Ram 32k
VXD date 04/03/97
VXD rev 1.40.013
OK
ati8
ERROR
ati9
(1.0IBM3791\\Modem\PNPC10F\IBM ISA Modem for Windows 56K DSVD INT)FF
OK
ati10
VXD Configuration Profile...
VXD version 1.40.013
VXD date 04/03/97
Link mode Direct
Clock mode Interrupt
VCOMM detected Yes
IRQ 9
I/O base 110
Novram status Up-to-date
Vendor ID IBM3791
Serial number 65608021
OK
ati11
IBM ISA Modem for Windows 56K DSVD Link Diagnostics...
Modulation Unknown Speed
Carrier Freq (Hz)
Symbol Rate
Trellis Code
Nonlinear Encoding
Precoding
Shaping
Preemphasis (-dB)
Recv/Xmit Level (-dBm)
SNR (dB)
Near Echo Loss (dB)
Far Echo Loss (dB)
Roundtrip Delay (msec)
Status
OK
AT+MS?
ERROR
AT+MS=s
ERROR
AT+MS=?
ERROR
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Black Dragon)
Subject: Re: How to get latest GNOME distibution
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 00:50:11 GMT
On Mon, 28 Aug 2000 15:52:21 -0400 in comp.os.linux.setup,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Robert Morelli' said:
>I'm really shocked that I need to ask this, but
>I've been to the GNOME web site and I simply
>can't find the page with the main gnome package.
>The links at the site seem to lead in circles.
>(It kind of worries me when the people who are
>supposed to be giving Linux usability can't even
>design a web site.)
>
>The best I can do is find a page that has
>several dozen individual packages. If downloading
>and separately installing several dozen packages
>is what's needed, I'll do that, but I was
>under the impression that GNOME had some kind of
>painless installer.
>
>If there is some one package I can download, would
>someone here be kind enough to tell me the precise
>URL at which it can be found? (I'm using Calder
>OpenLinux).
I was a little surprised myself that I had to download and install all the
GNOME packages separately when I upgraded it, but I just endured it instead
of complaining. ;-) After doing some research on the order of installation,
and unpacking all the downloaded tar-balls into /usr/src/gnome, I wrote the
following script to help automate the process, which works flawlessly on
Red Hat 6.0 and will need to be modified to suite your GNOME version and
system.
gnome-install.sh
========================================
#!/bin/sh
CFLAGS="-O3"
export CFLAGS
cd /usr/src/gnome/audiofile-0.1.9
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/esound-0.2.16
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/esound-0.2.17
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/esound-0.2.18
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/glib-1.2.6
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/libxml-1.8.7
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/libxml2-2.0.0
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/ORBit-0.5.0
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/ORBit-0.5.1
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gtk+-1.2.6
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gtk-engines-0.10
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/imlib-1.9.7
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-libs-1.0.58
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/libgtop-1.0.7
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/libghttp-1.0.6
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-core-1.0.55
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/mc-4.5.44
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/control-center-1.0.51
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/control-center-1.0.52
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/control-center-1.0.53
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/libglade-0.12
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-print-0.18
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/libPropList-0.8.3
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/GnomeHello-0.1
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/Gtk---1.0.3
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/bug-buddy-0.8
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/dia-0.84
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/ee-0.3.9
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/g-print-0.2
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gdm-2.0beta4
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gfloppy-0.9.2
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/ggv-0.82
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/glade-0.5.3
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-admin-1.0.3
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-audio-1.0.0
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-chess-0.2.4
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-games-1.0.51
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-linuxconf-0.22
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-media-1.0.51
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-network-1.0.2
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-objc-1.0.40
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-pim-1.0.55
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-python-1.0.53
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnome-utils-1.0.50
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnorpm-0.9
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gnotepad+-1.0.8
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/gtop-1.0.7
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/nethack
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/users-guide-1.0.72
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
cd /usr/src/gnome/xchat-1.2.1
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
make install
ldconfig
========================================
Yeah, I know, using variables would make configuring the script much easier,
but that's going to have to wait untill the next time I upgrade GNOME, so
put the flame-throwers away -- mmmkay! :-)
--
Black Dragon
"Resist militant `normality' -- A mind is a terrible thing to erase."
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From: "Gerardo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.portable
Subject: Install question - newbie- Laptop
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 21:05:59 -0400
1. Can I format the hard drive in my laptop with the Linux partition system
using a DOS program from a small DOS partition in my hard drive? What
program do I use? At the end I will have a small DOS partition and the rest
of the HD ready for LINUX. (like a DOS Partition Magic...) .
2. Is there a Linux Distribution (I prefer Mandrake) that I can put the
"setup.exe" program in my small DOS partition in my HD, and install LINUX
from the CD? (My floppy drive would not be available during the
installation).
Thank you,
Gerardo
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:04:56 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when [EMAIL PROTECTED]
would say:
>> As such, while it would be possible to describe all of a system using
>> an XML document, that would probably be rather useless, as you need
>> some substrate on which the XML is to be stored.
>>
>> In effect, XML _can't_ be the "base;" there needs to be a serial
>> stream on which to place the XML-formatted material. You need
>> something below it.
>>
>> It seems more useful to talk about that specific "thing that is
>> below."
>
>Okay. Today we have an architecture where we store our programs and
>data on a persistent medium (usually a hard disk). We could in fact
>execute directly against the hard disk (skipping the need to implement
>memory). There are two problems with this approach. The first is that
>it would be slow. Yet that isn't necessarily the biggest problem. The
>biggest problem is fault tolerance. If you have a crash, and the only
>representation you have was the one you were running against, you are
>simply out of luck. (Like typing byte codes in to a Commadore 64. It
>crashes, and you end up starting over, typing the byte codes in all
>over again.)
>
>So, what we have done is create an architecture where we keep a rather
>stable instance of our configuration information on disk (generally in
>a file system). Then if our system happens to crash, we can turn it
>off, turn it back on, and be up and running again.
>
>We do this, even though we could simply save and restore our current
>state to disk. Rebooting is necessary though, because we don't have
>systems stable enough that we can be absolutely sure our image will
>never crash.
>
>Looking at our storage vs. the memory images in a computer system, we
>see a rather significant drop in complexity. Data structures in memory
>being far more complex, and executable code being far more complex in
>memory than that which exists in storage (EPROM).
>
>We also see storage showing a significantly reduced amount of change
>when compared to memory. Files in storage tend to be rather fixed,
>with few changes, while what is expressed in memory varies widely over
>time. (Keep in mind, this is all relative! Compared to the return
>stack, nothing on disk changes much, no matter how we pound the disk.)
>
>The point of what I am trying to get across is that storage really
>serves as a working, dynamic definition of what programs can be
>executed in memory, without requiring all those programs to be loaded
>into memory at any given time. Almost everything that ends up
>executing in memory was defined in storage.
>
>This model works very well, as long as storage is more static than
>dynamic. And as long as storage remains rather simple, without too much
>complicated structure.
>
>How does networking modify the model we have been using? It is
>complicating the underlying structure. The mostly simple tree (a
>directory structure) is becoming more of a general net, like a tree of
>nodes with links into locations in other trees, on other computers.
>
>And storage is becoming more dynamic. I am installing and removing many
>more applications than I was in the early 90s. And compared to what I
>was doing in the 80's, I thought I was doing too many installations
>then!
>
>One could argue at this point that we have already seen most of the
>changes to computer systems that we are going to really need. That the
>rate of installs and reconfigurations is going to slow down. I don't
>really think so.
>
>We can get more stability without requiring major changes to existing
>operating systems and applications by constructing a "storage"
>for "storage". In other words, instead of rebooting solely to storage
>(where if I have a failure, I am really out of luck), I can instead
>access a more fundamental definition of storage. It is this layer that
>can make use of definitions of storage constructed in XML.
>
>The result is a model that looks like this:
>
> X ==> Storage ==> Memory
>
>Where X is that "Thing Below" you wanted to talk about.
>
>Does this help?
It explains a bit more about what you're talking about.
You put forth the notion of having some sort of storage model.
But none of what you say has the slightest bit to do with XML as
distinct from other models for storing data.
It is easy to _claim_ that you have described some "more fundamental
definition of storage," but you haven't demonstrated this.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "acm.org")
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/xml.html>
"Life. Don't talk to me about life." -- Marvin
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From: "Tomas Kroown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Which is best? Red Hat Linux or Corel Linux?
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 12:28:09 +1100
I have the option of installing either one of these. I am interested in
using it as a stand alone PC with Internet access, e-mail and browsing,
using phone modem. I will also be doing word processing and similar office
activities.
My computer is a Pentium 166, 6 MB harddisk and 32 MB RAM, floppy, CD ROM
and possible CD writer. I have partitioned it to be 2 MB Windows and the
rest is 4 MB, empty for now.
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From: Matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: GTK/GLIB not working!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:29:33 GMT
i just installed linux, and when trying to install something, i think GAIM,
it kept saying that i needed to install GTK 1.2.8 or better, so went to
www.gtk.org and downloaded, and tried installing it, but it asked for GLIB
1.2.8 or better, so i went back to www.gtk.org noticing that they also had
GLIB. i installed it, and no error messages. so then getting back to
installing GTK, it still said that GLIB 1.2.8 or better was needed. i am
confused, because i had just installed GLIB, and tried reinstalling many
times, but it still has the same error messages. please help. thanks.
--
Posted via CNET Help.com
http://www.help.com/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Juleen Jenkins)
Subject: I upgraded my chip and Linux died!!!!!
Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 01:39:38 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Howdy all!
Wow, that subject sounds like Oprah.
Last night I took my old P100, on which I had a nice dual boot of
Win95 (1.5 gig hda) and Mandrake 7.0 (4 gig hdc). Up to yesterday,
Mandrake was running great, if a bit sluggish with KDE. I decided that
I would get a bit tricky and take an old Evergreen Technologies 200Mhz
Pentium mmx clone and throw it in. I did, and Win95 booted up just
fine. When I rebooted and pointed bootmagic toward Mandrake, however,
Linux died. 1st it died when trying to go into X. It waited about 25
minutes before I finally tried to break out. I finally reset the box.
Then it just kept hanging on the load. So I think, well Jimbo, you did
it now. You hosed Linux. So I decided to try a reinstall (I had only
put in on there a few weeks back, so I hadn't done much with it). I
start from scratch, use fdisk to blow away the Linux main and swap
partitions, then use partition magic to recreate them. This worked
fine. I then went to the install and it froze when Mandrake tried to
format the newly created Linux partitions. I started over, it froze
before then. At this point, I was a touch frustrated.
I remember that my bro had given me his old copy of Caldera OpenLinux
2.3, so I figure I would try that. Fdisk again, then partition magic,
yada yada... Caldera freezes on install.
My question is this: Am I screwed? I would like to have the 200Mhz
chip, but not if I can't run any form of Linux. This is supposed to be
my test play PC. Does anyone know any problems with Linux and the
Evergreen 200Mhz upgrade PC?
Thanks in advance!
Jimbo
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