Linux-Setup Digest #438, Volume #20 Wed, 17 Jan 01 03:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: xterm behavior
Re: Please Help Newbie with Realtek 8029 NIC setup (Linux User)
Re: Please Help Newbie with Realtek 8029 NIC setup (Linux User)
valid installation partition? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Hard drive install... HELP!! (David Efflandt)
Re: problem with domain name (David Efflandt)
Re: Redhat 6.0 Install on 18GB disk ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: process monitor script (David Efflandt)
Re: Debian, no cd..LONG (Michael Perry)
Re: RAM Disk Howto (David Efflandt)
Re: HP 722C printer (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: PPD for HP DeskJet 890c (James Richard Tyrer)
Re: 2.4.0 + Slackware -> No boot ("Cameron Kerr")
Re: Netscape bookmarks (Batchman)
Re: Linux Newbie soon to be onboard (moonie;))
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: xterm behavior
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:26:07 +0000 (UTC)
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:18:12 GMT,
Jim Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Why does bash change the operation
of the mouse buttons when its in an
>xterm? If it matters I am using a
Motif xterm with RH v7. Before
>starting X the left button copies
by dragging button down and the right
>button pastes.
(scuse me, but in my Linuxes the left
button always copies and the middle
button pastes ... ?)
I usually use an xterm & bash, but just tried
a Konsole terminal (Mandrake 7.2, which
tends to KDE) and it works the same way.
does man gpm help any?
MP
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From: Linux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please Help Newbie with Realtek 8029 NIC setup
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:46:48 -0800
Hello,
The driver for your card is ne2k-pci. This card is listed with a question
mark on the RH 7.0 compatability list.
You can look in /var/log/messages and see if the driver has attempted too
load. It will display any error messages also if the the load failed. You
can view this using the System Log Monitor, in Gnome it is under the
Programs/System menu. To view it from the console use: less
/var/log/messages. up/down arrows to scroll, hit q to exit. You will have
to be logged in as root to view this file. Post any error messages you see
back to this newsgroup.
If you don't see any entries for your network card. Open the file
/etc/modules.conf. Find it in the Gnome file manager, right click, then
choose edit. Look for the line:
alias eth0 ne2k-pci
If it isnt there add it. This will allow the module to load on boot. Don't
forget to save your changes. Open a console window. In it type:
modprobe ne2k-pci
This will attempt to load the module for your card. It will display any
errors that occur.
To see what modules are loaded from a console window type:
/sbin/lsmod
To see what pci devices are detected on your system type:
/sbin/lspci -v
Cheers,
Jim H
Scott Fournier wrote:
> I do not believe that my RH 7.0 recognized my NIC card. I am using a
> Realtek RTL8029 (AS) PCI ethernet NIC on my computer to tie into a Cable
> Modem. I have my system configured to use gnome and am unsure of what I
> need to do next. I am not sure how to find out if the card is being
> recognized and I do not know it and I am also unsure of how to get the OS
> to
> recognize the card if it is not found (such as building kernals etc.) In
> the ethernet HOW-TO It says that the card is support under Linux, but I am
> pretty confused about this point. I have only been running LINUX for two
> days now and just today I got the GUI to work properly (this is a major
> accomplishment for me). Any help that I may get would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> --
> Scott Fournier
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: Linux User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Please Help Newbie with Realtek 8029 NIC setup
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 21:59:48 -0800
Hello,
The driver for your card is ne2k-pci. This card is listed with a question
mark on the RH 7.0 compatability list.
You can look in /var/log/messages and see if the driver has attempted too
load. It will display any error messages also if the the load failed. You
can view this using the System Log Monitor, in Gnome it is under the
Programs/System menu. To view it from the console use: less
/var/log/messages. up/down arrows to scroll, hit q to exit. You will have
to be logged in as root to view this file. Post any error messages you see
back to this newsgroup.
If you don't see any entries for your network card. Open the file
/etc/modules.conf. Find it in the Gnome file manager, right click, then
choose edit. Look for the line:
alias eth0 ne2k-pci
If it isnt there add it. This will allow the module to load on boot. Don't
forget to save your changes. Open a console window. In it type:
modprobe eth0
This will attempt to load the module for your card. It will display any
errors that occur.
To see what modules are loaded from a console window type:
/sbin/lsmod
To see what pci devices are detected on your system type:
/sbin/lspci -v
Cheers,
Jim H
Scott Fournier wrote:
> I do not believe that my RH 7.0 recognized my NIC card. I am using a
> Realtek RTL8029 (AS) PCI ethernet NIC on my computer to tie into a Cable
> Modem. I have my system configured to use gnome and am unsure of what I
> need to do next. I am not sure how to find out if the card is being
> recognized and I do not know it and I am also unsure of how to get the OS
> to
> recognize the card if it is not found (such as building kernals etc.) In
> the ethernet HOW-TO It says that the card is support under Linux, but I am
> pretty confused about this point. I have only been running LINUX for two
> days now and just today I got the GUI to work properly (this is a major
> accomplishment for me). Any help that I may get would be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> --
> Scott Fournier
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: valid installation partition?
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 05:59:12 GMT
I am installing linux on a friend's computer and had two questions I was
hoping somebody could answer. The first question is if it is possible
to put all of the Linux files on a different physical drive, in my case,
I have the three linux partitions (root,swap, and boot) all on the slave
drive and was wondering if this would work. My second question is, with
my previous setup, is it possible to use the Windows 2k boot loader to
load Linux in this configuration? Thanks for any help!
Douglas Yung
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: New Hard drive install... HELP!!
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:18:12 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001, James Ayton, Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My set up is as follows...
>
>I have an 18 gig hard drive with Windows 2000 and Windows 98 dual booting,
>this drive is C:\, and is connected to my Ultra ATA66 controller.
>
>I have a 4 gig drive with Corel Linux that is connected to the IDE
>connector on the mother board. The Linux controls the MBR, as Corel's OS
>loader pops up on start up, and I can select either Linux or Windows. If I
>select Windows, it goes to Windows 2000 OS Loader to select between 2000 and
>98.
>
>I want to add a new 45 Gig drive as D: to the Ultra ATA66 controller.
>However, all drives connected to this controller are assigned drive letters
>before the IDE connectors on the mother board are. So, if I have them all
>connected, all I see are the letters 'LI' when I start up. Is there a way
>to tell the MBR that the Corel's Linux OS Loader is on drive E: now?
Sometimes the BIOS will move a drive down from what it actually is to fill
a vacant slot. The first thing you need to tell us is if Linux thinks it
is currently booting onto hdb or hdc.
If it does think it is on hdb it is possible to duplicate that section in
lilo.conf with a different label and with root=/dev/hdc(whatever) instead
of hdb(whatever) and add an 'unsafe' line (w/o quotes) at the end of that
section so lilo does not try to find it there when you run /sbin/lilo.
You would also need to change the /etc/fstab entries from hdb to hdc just
before connecting the other drive.
But if Linux already thinks it is on hdc, I don't know what to tell you.
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: problem with domain name
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:30:30 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 17 Jan 2001, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Here is my situation: I just set-up Apache server on my Slackware 7.0.
>It is running well if I provide my static IP address. What do I need to
>configure in order to use my domain name. How do I publish my domain? I
>assume I will have to run DNS server. Currently, in my resolv.conf I
>look up my ISP's DNS addresses. Question is how do I attach my static IP
>to my domain? Thank you for any help.
>Val.
If you want a static IP on the internet, you have to get that from your
ISP. I am fortunate to have one for my ppp (mail and everything works
much easier) and I can access my box from another ISP when out of town.
You don't 'publish' your domain. You either register a domain name with
one of the domain name registration services or get a subdomain from
someone. You usually need at least 2 DNS servers. There are 3rd party
DNS services that can even provide DNS for dynamic IPs.
You can play around with domain names locally by putting them in your
/etc/hosts or running your own DNS configured with forward and reverse
lookup zones for your box or LAN. You can even use extra 127.x.x.x
loopback IPs if you just want to access them from the same box. But if
you want anyone on the internet to find you by name you need a registered
domain (or subdomain).
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Redhat 6.0 Install on 18GB disk
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 06:43:51 GMT
In article <9419mo$c2u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm having trouble getting redhat 6.0 to install on a Seagate
> ST318436LC 18GB disk. (Intel LB440GX motherboard, with onboard adaptec
> AIC-7896 scsi controller)
> All that happens as I run through the install is that after the scsi
> adapter driver is loaded (aic7xxx) I get scsi reset messages:
>
> SCSI: aborting command due to timeout: pid 10, SCSI 0, Channel 0, ID
2,
> lun 0, test unit ready 00 00 00 00 00
> SCSI: host 0 abort(pid 10) timed out - resetting
> SCSI bus is being reset for host 0 channel 0
>
> If go through the motions of installing redhat 6.1, its the same, but
> 6.2 seems to work okay. I guess its something to do with the version
of
> scsi driver, but I'm unsure how to proceed. Is there a way of
including
> an updated driver somehow?
> Unfortunately I need to run 6.0
>
> Any advice would be great
> thanks,
> Graham
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Yes, I believe there is a way. Take a look at the following site:
http://www.redhat.com/support/docs/tips/adaptec.html
Definitely pay attention to that link to Doug's page. Doug has
numerous makes and models of the aic7xxx driver and info on creating
driver update disks.
Somewhere in the area of kernel 2.2.14 (the default on RedHat 6.2),
problems were discovered but not widely publicized with the aic7xxx
driver. I have been working around a similar problem on a board with
Intel 440BX chipset and onboard AIC 7890. Error message is the same as
what you show above, and repeats ad nauseum. For further info, take a
look at mlist.linux.kernel and fa.linux.kernel on the date 1/16/2001 at
a discussion thread relating to scsi bus resets.
Hope this helps ya out.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: process monitor script
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:05:50 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 16 Jan 2001 23:15:10 GMT, Steve <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi, Im a newbie to unix but I seem to have been thrown into being a
>script writer. My question is, can someone tell me how to monitor my
>company's pop mail server. if it is down then it needs to alert by
>email. (im wondering how it will alert if its down, but thats my
>instructions)
>any help will be appricated.
>steve
A mail server should not normally go down unless there is something
drastically wrong with your system. Following is a simple example of a
Perl script that checks the response from an smtp server. But you
probably want to do a subroutine instead of die if if does not connect or
if the beginning of the reply is something other than 220:
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
use IO::Socket;
my $host = 'localhost';
my $remote = IO::Socket::INET->new( PeerAddr => "$host:smtp(25)");
unless ($remote) { die "Can't connect to smtp server on $host" }
$remote->autoflush(1);
if(defined($_ = <$remote>)) { print }
close $remote;
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
Subject: Re: Debian, no cd..LONG
Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2001 22:58:07 -0800
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001 16:53:35 GMT, Cathy Gramze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry) wrote:
>
>> Try doing this instead. First offload the ide-scsi module that you enabled
>> so that your cdrom goes back to being a regular old cd. Lets try to get
>> that mounting using the old ide driver. Now when you boot the system, do
>> you see a line which says something like hdc and the make/model of your ide
>> cd? If so, good. I cannot find a /dev/hdc0 on my debian system at all.
>> My dev sorted on hdc looks like this:
>
>Step one was all that was needed. I did a rmmod ide-scsi and LO! the cdrom worked as
>hdc, no number. I'll see if it works with the module loaded next. Anyway, I got
>SimCity 3000 and CivCTP installed, so I'm a happy camper now. Many thanks to you!
>
>> Lets get the cd working for now as a regular cd and then we can check out
>> how to get ide-scsi support working. The changes require perhaps a few
>> reboots and some inspection of dmesg or watching the boot sequence
>> carefully. You also need to load a few modules to make things work right
>> with an ide burner.
>>
>> Hows that sound?
>
>I'm game. I suppose I need to see if the scsi cd is working, first. That requires
>turning it on (it's external). We could be nice to the newsgroup and start a new
>thread for getting the SCSI cd and burning to work. Maybe someone else needs to know,
>too.
>
>cathyy
>
>
Okay. Glad that got things working. The ide-scsi emulation mode is now
easier because we know that the drive works as a regular old cd. Now we can
make linux ignore the drive when you first boot the system and not load the
hogging ide driver and instead load the ide-scsi emulation driver. This
requires a modification to lilo.conf so some care needs to be taken.
Basically, you want to tell the system as it boots to ignore the ide cdrw
and then load the ide-scsi emulation driver instead. To make the system
ignore the ide driver, you need to add an append line in your lilo.conf like
this:
This is an excerpt from my lilo.conf for a debian potato system:
# Boot up Linux by default.
#
default=Linux
image=/boot/vmlinuz.new3
label=Linux
read-only
append="hdb=ide-scsi"
Now the important line is the one for the kernel which reads
append="hdb=ide-scsi". In your case you want to change it to read
append="hdc=ide-scsi". Remember to rerun lilo -v again. Now you want to
have the system automatically load the ide-scsi module when it starts
working with the modules. Easiest way is to edit /etc/modules and insert
the following:
#ide scsi cdrom support
ide-scsi
at the end of the file. If you want to manually insert the ide-scsi module
you can do that too. Now when you load this module you will get a list of
the device that is being emulated. As an example, on my debian system if I
run cdrecord --scanbus, it looks like this:
scsibus0:
0,0,0 0) *
0,1,0 1) 'QUANTUM ' 'FIREBALL SE8.4S ' 'PJ0A' Disk
0,2,0 2) *
0,3,0 3) *
0,4,0 4) 'IBM-PSG ' 'DNES-318350W !#' 'SAB0' Disk
0,5,0 5) *
0,6,0 6) *
0,7,0 7) *
scsibus1:
1,0,0 100) 'HP ' 'CD-Writer+ 9300 ' '1.0b' Removable CD-ROM
1,1,0 101) *
1,2,0 102) *
1,3,0 103) *
1,4,0 104) *
1,5,0 105) *
1,6,0 106) *
1,7,0 107) *
Remember that your entry for the cd is now linked to /dev/hdc and you will
want to use the cd in ide-scsi emulation mode now. YOu should relink it to
the /dev entry corresponding. For me, I ln -s cdrom to /dev/scd0 and I
never use the ide block driver at all. Note above, that I have two "real
scsi devices" that it reports on. One is a crappy Quantum fireball scsi
disk and one is a flashy IBM 17g drive.
There is also a howto online that perhaps explains this better than I have.
I tend to wander on and on :) I think now though you can get things running
since the system sees and uses the cd as a regular one. Now its just turning
on ide-scsi emulation mode and relinking /dev/cdrom to its correct /dev/scd*
entry.
Hope this helps a bit.
--
Michael Perry
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Efflandt)
Subject: Re: RAM Disk Howto
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:12:55 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 16 Jan 2001 15:02:21 GMT, Me <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <1XO86.15321$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>says...
>>
>>In article <93vaok$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Me" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a RAM disk howto? Where would I find it?
>>>
>>> Thanks, Michael
>>
>>I just putzed around with RAM disks. What do you need to know??
>>
>>Tim
>Hi Tim, I would like to know how to set one up. Would it be possible to set
>one up with, say 1 GB RAM?
I heard something about a 512 MB limit, but not sure if there is a setting
or kernel compile parameter that can change that. Not sure what you want
to use it for, but this is how I set up a small 2 MB ramdisk in
/etc/rc.d/rc.local for SETI@home:
# set up ramdisk for setiathome
/bin/dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/ram bs=1k count=2048
/sbin/mke2fs -vm0 /dev/ram 2048
/bin/mount -t ext2 /dev/ram /home/efflandt/seti-ram
cp /home/efflandt/setiathome/* /home/efflandt/seti-ram
rm /home/efflandt/seti-ram/xsetiathome
/bin/chmod 755 /home/efflandt/seti-ram
/bin/chown -R efflandt.efflandt /home/efflandt/seti-ram
--
David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: HP 722C printer
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:25:44 GMT
Charlie Huang wrote:
> Could anyone help me, How can I install and setup my HP Deskjet 722C printer
> on my Redhat 7.0 machine?
A little off topic, perhaps.
Can I recomend:
news://www.linuxprinting.org/linuxprinting.hp.general
This is a "PPA" printer a/k/a "WIN-Printer.
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=61536
http://pnm2ppa.sourceforge.net/
JRT
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From: James Richard Tyrer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: PPD for HP DeskJet 890c
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 07:30:48 GMT
Donald Brady wrote:
> Does anybody know where I can get a PPD for this printer? The HP site search
> is useless!
First, see:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=226985
A PPD (Postscript Printer Definition) file is only for PostScript Printers.
This is not a PostScript printer.
Do you have an application (such as WPO2000) that requires a PPD file?
JRT
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From: "Cameron Kerr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.4.0 + Slackware -> No boot
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 20:41:50 +1300
>> 2.4.0? I did not change any of the hardware and am still able to boot
>> the 2.2.17 kernel.
Did you make and install the kernel modules
make dep
make clean
make bzImage
make install
make modules
rm -rf /lib/modules.old
mv /lib/modules /lib/modules.old
make modules_install
shutdown -r now
Does this look familiar (You're a Slackware 4 user, so I'm guessing your
no idiot, but 2.4 is slightly different to compile.
HIH
--Cameron Kerr
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From: Batchman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Netscape bookmarks
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:45:46 -0500
I've seen the Windoze version not save itself back properly and
end up saving future bookmarks somewhere embedded within the
bookmark.htm file. If you're any good with HTML, you can patch
it yourself (if that's the case). In any case, you can do a Find
to see if the bookmark you've just saved is actually in the file.
Greg
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Paul Pygeon wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Someone can tell me why Netscape (4.76) can't save his bookmarks.
> Everything I load Netscape, a message box tell me: error on saving
> bookmarks or something else.
>
> Bye
>
> --
> Kernel 2.4, LM-7.2
> XFree 4.0.2, KDE2.1
>
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From: moonie;) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Newbie soon to be onboard
Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2001 02:54:06 -0500
On Mon, 15 Jan 2001, Ben wrote:
>Watch out for those 'high-rated' mobos!!
>
>I made the mistake of trying to build a RH7/Apache server with
>the KT7 RAID mobo, based on those high ratings. Linux would
>never install so I had to drop back and punt: I've converted my
>VERY stable EPOX 500mHz K6II mobo machine to the server,
>and turned this one into my desktop machine. At this writing, it's
>finally stable enough to go 2 - 4 hours between crashes, but that's
>after multiple Win98 reinstalls, plus the original attempts to load
>RH7, and the subsequent attempt to get Win2K going, and after
>going to beta BIOS loads on the Abit mobo.
>
>All those wonderful ratings are from the 'overclocker' community,
>where the most important factor about a mobo is how big the bragging
>rights are . . . and what the Quake frame rate is. If that's what floats
>your boat, I guess that's OK. But I wanted a machine that would actually
>WORK for days at a time without attention, and unfortunately, I was
>naive about what was being rated in all those reviews. If the KT7
>were rated for stability the review would be short: "It sux big ones!".
>But, as the kid show says, "you don't have to take my word for it"; just
>check out alt.comp.periphs.mainboard.abit, and spend an hour reading
>all the horror stories. What really blew me away is discovering that
>a lot of these guys were NOT surprised that they've had to spend 20 - 30
>hours to get the board to work right! I guess it's what working on a
>'hotrod' was 40 years ago -- those guys didn't actually expect reliable
>transportation, either.
>
>BTW, the RAID is NOT hardware RAID (made a sucker of myself on
>that one, too), and I've noticed that a few Linux users have not only
>gotten the KT7 running, but gotten the RAID going: however it's taken
>some advanced tweaking and lots of patching.
>
>Good luck!
>
>Ben
>
I am aware that the RAID on the KT7 isn't hardware, never said it was, in fact
I have been telling people for a long time that MOST IDE RAID solutions are in
fact software. The main reason I have decided to go with the ASUS board is
because of the problems with the HP370 controller! And I also wanted to point
out that the reviews I have read included stability as part of the testing
process, these 2 boards DID come out on top of that category as well. I am
sorry you have had trouble with the KT7RAID board, but keep in mind that isn't
everybody's experience. I once had a FIC 503+, everybody claimed that this
board was unstable, I have a friend who bought 2 of them after my experience
and to this day has NEVER had a problem with them. From all manufacturers you
have individual problem boards, yes some boards are crap, sometimes you just
get a bad board!
--
moonie ;)
Registered Linux User #175104
(Registered at: http://counter.li.org)
KDE2
Kernel 2.4.0-test5
XFree86 4.0 Nvidia .94 drivers
RAID 0 Striped
Test-Pilots-R-Us ;)
ICQ #83003404
AIM mooniesdl3
MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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