Linux-Setup Digest #883, Volume #20 Wed, 21 Mar 01 19:13:09 EST
Contents:
Re: Best E-mail Client? (M. Buchenrieder)
Re: Difficult Linux version/distro question ? (DeAnn)
Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream> (Torsten Clay)
Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream> ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Reading and writing to a serial port (Alex Yung)
Re: Linux router (Adam Schuetze)
Re: Scrolling with Microsoft IntelliEye Mouse ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream> ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Safe shutdown under SuSE ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Shut off & power down? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
need inittab (Tai-Lin Chin)
Re: /dev/null is read-only ? (Bill Unruh)
Installing Red Hat 7 on a Compaq Deskpro ("Kevin Norburn")
Setting up identd ("Anthony")
Re: Can't get GUI installer to run in RedHat 7 (noodles)
how to optimize linux (abhijit mhatre)
Re: how to optimize linux (H.Bruijn)
Re: Setting up identd (maxmutt)
RH 6.2 does'nt recognized 2nd NIC? (Teeitup816)
Re: small installation-how? (Ivory Bones)
Guest ftp under RH7.0 and ftponly shell? (Daniel Many)
Re: cdrecord problem (Tom Hoffmann)
Re: how to optimize linux (Alan Morgan)
this is a test (NM) (hoffmyster)
Re: how to optimize linux (John Prowse)
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (M. Buchenrieder)
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 15:47:56 GMT
Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Manfred Bartz wrote:
>>
>> Steve Withers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>
>> > I have been using Netscape for mail on Linux for a long time because it
>> > supports HTML and Javascript and graphics.
>>
>> > they all lack HTML, javascript and graphics.
>>
>> Well, do you need all that stuff? For email???
>Yes. I receive several e-mails that have the best and richest content
>when I can display HTML. Otherwide they are almost unreadable.
Uh. Depends from the point of view selected, I guess.
I'd say that HTML is unreadable - in general.
>I want the widest possible range of compatibility.
Then you definitely do not want to use HTML. There's almost
no compatibility at all.
>The function set
>being built into mail these days is moving away from plain text....but
>at least following a universal standard (html/java).
That's just ridiculous. HTML doesn't have any accepted standard (why
do you think websites have to be written in three different versions)
anymore. Granted, there's HTML 4.0 , but that's practically useless
given the fact that the implementations are mostly proprietary.
>If the mail client
>can't do these things, in the near future it will make mail difficult
>from commercial sources and from come government agencies who are
>adopting html and java for function-rich information delivery.
[...]
Facts: Java is a security risk. Java-script is even worse. And ActiveX
is a nightmare. If you want to deliver information, use plain text.
Anything else is just adding useless overhead to the core message
itself.
Michael
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Lumber Cartel Unit #456 (TINLC) & Official Netscum
Note: If you want me to send you email, don't munge your address.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (DeAnn)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Re: Difficult Linux version/distro question ?
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:17:29 GMT
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:45:11 GMT, peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd suggest either putting the same OS on both machines
(but without X on the 16 meg machine or else with a small footprint
window manager on the 16 meg machine) or else using a distribution
tailored to the role you want (router/firewall). You can get cdroms
of the GPL part of recent distros from cheapbytes (www.cheapbytes.com)
for a few $$ each....so you can experiment here without paying much.
If you don't have a cdrom on the small machine, you can set up NFS on
the other and install across the net or use a distribution that has
floppy images available for a basic install (like Debian or
Slackware). Note, many major distributions want 32 MB for their
spiffy new GUI installer, but many (all?) also have a smaller
text-based installer available for older/smaller machines. I think RH
falls into this category.
You might look at linux router project (LRP) for their
one-floppy linux that loads into RAM or similar systems.
>Ok guys, I posted a msg. about memory, etc and Linux.
>
>Now, I've gotten another machine with 32 megs in it, BUT instead of
>having two pentium system with 32 megs, I'm going to put 48 megs in
>one and 16 in the other. So, the big question is, what distro/version
>should I run in each system ? I have Red Hat 6.1 and Mandrake 7.1
>laying around. I'll pick up a new version, if you think the latest
>version are better.
>
>My systems break down like this:
>
>Socket 7, Cyrix p166, 48 megs (6 eight meg simms, strange MB), S3 trio
>video card, 3 gig HD, 4X cd-rom, network card, floppy
>
>Socket 5, Intel P100, 16 megs (4 four meg simms), trident 4 meg card,
>no HD yet (may use two 200 meg drives), no cd-rom (will hook one up
>for the install, then disconnect it), network card, floppy.
>
>I would like to run X-windows on the 48 megs system, and turn 16 meg,
>P 100 into a proxy,firewall (no X-windows here).
>
>So, maybe I should run mandrake 7.1 on the 48 megs system (KDE ?) and
>RH 6.1 on the 16 meg system ?
>
>What do you think ?
>
>As far as what I'll be doing on the 48 megs system, just learning
>about linux, programming, and the 16 meg machine will be a
>firewall/proxy/web server
>
>Over time, I would like to use Linux more and more, maybe it will
>become my main system.
>
>
>
>
>
>Peter
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From: Torsten Clay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream>
Date: 21 Mar 2001 14:27:46 -0700
>I added the second drive specifically for Linux today. I was all
>excited about a fresh install. Unfortunately, when I installed Mandrake
>7.1 today (the same CD that never failed before) I get as far as testing
The easiest fix is probably to try Mandrake 7.2 instead of 7.1. If you
are using new hardware, you will always want to try the most recent (stable)
version of any distro. Remember that most linux device drivers aren't
written until after a piece of hardware is in stores.
Torsten
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Subject: Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream>
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:38:36 +0100
In comp.os.linux.setup Laura Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>> Find a driver (i.e. X server) with support and drop it in. Shrug.
> You make it sound so easy. This is one reason why some people say Linux
> sucks, Peter: because they have been led to believe that they will be
> able to used the OS if they simply install it and start using it, and
> it's not really that easy, Peter.
It really is logical:
0) find driver (how?)
1) get driver (ftp or http)
2) install it (read the README and do what it says)
3) configure it (edit your XF86COnfig as per the nice instructions)
4) run it (/usr/X11R6/bin/X, or use startx ..)
Step 0 is the hurdle for you. You don't know what you're looking for or
where to look. For that you should ask here.
Peter
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alex Yung)
Subject: Re: Reading and writing to a serial port
Date: 21 Mar 2001 21:53:01 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kenneth Stephen ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: Michael Heiming wrote:
: >
: > Kenneth Stephen wrote:
: > >
: > > Hi,
: > >
: > > I've got access to a Cisco switch that I can play around with, and
: > > there is a serial port output on the box which is for console output. My
: > > Linux box does have a serial port, but I havent got a clue as to what I
: > > should do to hook up the switch to my Linux box so that I can use Linux
: > > as the console for the switch. How can I solve this?
: >
: > I would check the manual of your cisco, it should explain what you can do and how
: > to connect your cisco through serial, may be there is some kind of terminal
:waiting...
: >
: > Good luck
: >
: > Michael Heiming
: Michael,
: You've misunderstood my question. I know what to do from the
: perspective of Cisco. The manual is quite specific on the requirements
: for the serial port settings that the console port needs to be connected
: to. My question is what do I do on the linux box to see the messages
: spewed out from the switch? The Cisco box expects a "dumb terminal" at
: the end of the serial port. The Text-Terminal-HOWTO doesnt quite cover
: this scenario - and hence my confusion.
: Thanks,
: Kenneth
You can use kermit or minicom from your Linux box to talk to the
serial port which is connected to your Cisco box.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Linux router
Date: 21 Mar 2001 22:16:13 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:06:06 GMT, Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> only trouble I have run into is with the 3com 3c509 cards as they give all
> sorts of grief.
I use 3c509b's exclusively, with no trouble. What sort of grief
are you referring to?
Did you make sure you turned off plug and pray with the 3com
dos-based utility?
--
Adam Schuetze, Mechanical Engineering Technologist
Mechanical Engineering Student, University of Victoria
Cellular: 250.882.3938 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Visit my website at www.adam-schuetze.org
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Scrolling with Microsoft IntelliEye Mouse
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:15:58 +0000
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:16:46 +1100, "Ron Nicholls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I think it only works in the scroll bar not the window
Works OK in the window for me.
Chris Ward.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:15:58 +0000
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 11:08:06 -0500, Laura Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>It's a relief to know your vid is working. Was it hard to get it to
>work? Can you give me some idea about what it took in your case?
I recently upgraded my machine and it came with an nvidia GeForceMX2 video
card. I had very similar problems to yours and it was a bit tricky to get it
working. Essentially you have to have the up-to-date drivers for it, and not
surprisingly the manufacturers produce the drivers for Windows first, then
spend time eliminating all the reported bugs, before turning their attention
to Linux drivers (if they do so at all). But there are linux nvidia drivers
for the GeForce cards
Does Mandrake have a technical support site? If so try browsing their
database. I happen to use SuSE, and you can find information on their site by
accessing the support database and doing a search for "nvidia". Several
articles there that may give you a clue, but of course the detailed
instructions relate to the SuSe distro. But that's how I eventually managed
to solve my video set-up problems. Download a few files and tweak some
others.
Best of luck.
Chris Ward.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Safe shutdown under SuSE
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:15:59 +0000
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:15:10 +0000, Kristoffer Adcock
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Evening all,
>
>Under SuSE 7.0, is it possible to configure Linux so that when you press
>the power button, the shutdown process is begun? I'm using an ATX power
>supply and motherboard and I understand that switching on and off is
>controlled by software, (the BIOS?) so I /think/ its possible.
>
>Also, how can I configure things so that when the shutdown process is
>completed, the machine switches itself off? Currently, it just stops
>with "System Halted".
>
>Cheers,
Have you read the thread in this ng started on 17/3/01 headed "Shut off &
power down"?
Chris Ward.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.linux,alt.linux.redhat,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.questions
Subject: Re: Shut off & power down?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:15:57 +0000
On Sat, 17 Mar 2001 17:43:12 GMT, "Bruce Pennypacker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> When I
>installed RedHat Linux 6.2 & the 2.4.1 kernel and tried to use either
>/sbin/poweroff or /sbin/shutdown -p it would shut down linux but it never
>powers down the server. I've gone through all the BIOS settings I can think
>of and ensured that APM is compiled into the kernel. What am I missing?
>What do I need to do to get linux to power the machine down on shutdown?
I used to be able to do this on my old machine, but can't on my new one. I'm
no expert, but here are a couple of quotes from "Practical Linux"
"APM was around a long time before the standard was implemented, with
significant 16 bit underpinnings, which makes support difficult in 32 bit
operating systems. To make matters worse, desktop machines' "Green" BIOSes
often don't comply fully with the established APM standard. Use of APM on
Linux is at your own risk."
"The main point to keep in mind here is that with the wide variety of
implementations of APM in PC systems today, some or all of the features might
not work with your particular PC."
The author goes on to suggest that if you're comfortable reading C and
assembler source code (I'm definitely not) then the drivers/char/apm_bios.c
file makes interesting reading and contains plenty of notes about how varying
machines implement APM.
All that might not be much help, but might explain why you cannot
automatically expect 'shutdown -p now' to work.
Chris Ward.
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From: Tai-Lin Chin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: need inittab
Date: 21 Mar 2001 22:14:03 GMT
Could anyone send your /etc/inittab to me by email?
I just need the most basic one to boot up my computer.
Thanks!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat,comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: /dev/null is read-only ?
Date: 21 Mar 2001 22:21:36 GMT
In <kYSt6.497936$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Christopher H"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
]After reading the man page for MAKEDEV I saw that it requires null to be
]able to work with minimal functionnality. But I tried it anyways with
]/dev/MAKEDEV std
]I get the following error:
]MAKEDEV: urandom is a read-only filesystem
]and MAKEDEV would quit with /dev/null still being broken.
Well, is the /dev mounted on a readonly filesystem? What does df say?
what are the permissions for the / directory( assuming it is / on which
/dev sits) in /etc/fstab?
]ls -l /dev/urandom shows:
]crw-r--r--
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From: "Kevin Norburn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Installing Red Hat 7 on a Compaq Deskpro
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:24:21 -0000
I'm trying to install Red Hat Linux 7.0 onto a Compaq Deskpro 667. The PC
has an onboard Matrox G400 video card, which Red Hat picks up on. The
problem is that when anaconda runs - I keep getting an 'out of range' error'
on screen and my monitor turns off. Even though it selects the correct
monitor (I've tried two different one's and had the same problem on both).
Even setting to Standard VGAS or Custom doesn't seem to help.
Where am I going wrong?
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From: "Anthony" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Setting up identd
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:49:12 GMT
I'm trying to run set up an ident server in mandrake 7.2, but I'm
having some problems. With identd running, a remote ident request
returns:
123 , 113 : ERROR : UNKNOWN-ERROR
Can anyone help me troubleshoot this error? Also, should identd be
running from inetd?
Thanks,
Anthony
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From: noodles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Can't get GUI installer to run in RedHat 7
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 22:53:52 GMT
On Sun, 18 Mar 2001 02:05:27 -0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Michael Perry)
wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Mar 2001 16:19:04 GMT, noodles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I am trying to install RedHat version 7. I am booting off a boot.img
>>floppy created via rawrite and installing from the RPMS and base
>>directories located on my hard drive. I hit <enter> at the boot:
>>prompt to perform a GUI install, but yet the text installation runs
>>instead. If I run in expert mode and use the drivers.img disk I also
>>created via rawrite, there is no difference. I have searched the
>>internet exhaustingly, but to no avail. I have an ATI All In Wonder
>>Pro card with 8mb RAM. I know the card is supported. Any help would
>>be appreciated. TIA
>
>Just out of curiousity... Is there some reason you cannot do the
>installation in text mode? I have seen this with video cards that were
>sensed but for some reason Xconfigurator or anaconda or whatever cannot set
>up the session correctly. My diamond viper used to have similar effects on
>teh GUI installer so I just did text installations all the time. You may
>have to setup the card manually for some reason. I often think that is the
>preferred way.
>
>Why not do the install in text mode, play around a bit with all in wonder
>card using either Xconfigurator or xf86config and see where you get?
I was able to do the text installation just fine. I guess I've become
so used to GUI installers lately that text mode sometimes seems
archaic. Once installed, X-windows runs fine. I will play around a
bit and see what I come up with. Thanks for the suggestion.
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From: abhijit mhatre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: how to optimize linux
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:25:38 -0500
Hi,
I have installed linux redhat 6.2 distribution on k6 amd 128 meg ram
box.
just wondering how would I go about optimizing the system , as I find it
pretty slow
performance wise
regards
abhijit
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn)
Subject: Re: how to optimize linux
Date: 21 Mar 2001 23:12:48 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 17:25:38 -0500, abhijit mhatre allegedly wrote:
>Hi,
>I have installed linux redhat 6.2 distribution on k6 amd 128 meg ram
>box.
>just wondering how would I go about optimizing the system , as I find it
>pretty slow
>performance wise
Run less eye candy.
--
If a trainstation is the place where trains stop, what is a workstation?
========================================================================
Herman Bruijn mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Netherlands website: http://hermanbruijn.com
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From: maxmutt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Setting up identd
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 16:08:04 -0700
Anthony wrote:
>
> I'm trying to run set up an ident server in mandrake 7.2, but I'm
> having some problems. With identd running, a remote ident request
> returns:
>
> 123 , 113 : ERROR : UNKNOWN-ERROR
>
> Can anyone help me troubleshoot this error? Also, should identd be
> running from inetd?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Anthony
identd is normally run from inetd.
what is the config entry for identd in inet.config?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Teeitup816)
Date: 21 Mar 2001 23:18:35 GMT
Subject: RH 6.2 does'nt recognized 2nd NIC?
I've successfully installed Redhat 6.2 on a P75 server. At the time of install,
only one NIC was installed. I've added a second NIC, because I want the Linux
server to act like a router. I believe I've installed the Linux drivers
succesfully on the server, but Linux does not list my second ethernet device.
When I executed "netstat -i" I expected to see eth0 and eth1 listed, but I
only see eth0.
Since I'm fairly new to Linux, I'm sure I missed a step. Can anyone help me
with this problem?
Thank you in advance for responding so quickly.
Vince
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Subject: Re: small installation-how?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ivory Bones)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:34:27 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (J) wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>i have heard that one
>of the advantages of linux is the ability
>to use older equipment.. i'd like to know how..
>
>I know that, for instance, CoyoteLinux fits on one floppy but its' for
>a specific purpose.
Do you actually have this hardware? I just installed RedHat 7 on an old 486
with 24Mb RAM and an 800+ Mb harddisk. I had to trim the packages way down
to fit all on including X Windows and Gnome. I believe you could do it
easily enough if you did not install the GUI, but I doubt you would be
happy with a command line system.
Don
>
>i'd like to set up an old 486 box with limited ram 8-16M and hard disk
>space under 400M just to rip and mp3 cds.. so i ned the kernal the
>ide drivers the cdda2wave, notlame
>
>any suggestions?
>
>I have install disks for RedHat 6.2
>
>
>
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From: Daniel Many <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Guest ftp under RH7.0 and ftponly shell?
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 18:38:57 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi,
I'm trying to configure a guess ftp under RH7.0 with wu-ftp. Following
the steps in
the guess howto, i have created a chrooted directory. The doc says that
I should
make the user in the passwd file like this:
user1:*:403:400:/home/web/./:/etc/ftponly
My first interogation is about the shell ftponly who does not exist
anywhere... Maybe
it is replace by something else in RH7.0? I've also tried to put
/bin/true but it doesn't
work either...
I'm not able to confine a ftp user to a chrooted tree. Does somebody
knows how to
make it work under RH7.0?
Regards
Dan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tom Hoffmann)
Subject: Re: cdrecord problem
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 23:40:54 GMT
On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 20:43:44 GMT, jerrell3 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ex:# cdrecord -v dev=1,0,0 -data progeny-rc1-i386-1.iso
How did you create progeny-rc1-i386-1.iso? Have you tried to verify it
using a loopback filesystem? It's described in the CD-Writing-HOWTO.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alan Morgan)
Subject: Re: how to optimize linux
Date: 21 Mar 2001 23:56:28 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
abhijit mhatre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hi,
>I have installed linux redhat 6.2 distribution on k6 amd 128 meg ram
>box.
>just wondering how would I go about optimizing the system , as I find it
>pretty slow
>performance wise
To what are you comparing it?
What is slow? Disk access? Quake II? Network access? All of the above?
Alan
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From: hoffmyster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: this is a test (NM)
Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2001 19:06:14 -0500
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From: John Prowse <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how to optimize linux
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:00:00 +0000
abhijit mhatre wrote:
> Hi,
> I have installed linux redhat 6.2 distribution on k6 amd 128 meg ram
> box.
> just wondering how would I go about optimizing the system , as I find it
> pretty slow
> performance wise
>
> regards
>
> abhijit
>
Check to see if you are running things like ftp servers, samba, apache in
your startup scripts, assuming you don't want to run these services use
ksysv or another runlevel editor to remove a few.
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