Linux-Setup Digest #899, Volume #20 Sat, 24 Mar 01 06:13:11 EST
Contents:
Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE! (enkidu)
Re: ne/ne2k-pci Re: Mdk7.2 and Realtek 8019 Ethernet Card (DOKool)
Help setting up USB, almost there?! (Long message, includes some (Walter Francis)
Re: Viewing hidden files (David)
Re: halt in /sbin/init (Lee)
Re: Viewing hidden files ("BetrOffDed")
Re: SB Live Value PCI - No CD Audio? (Chris Rankin)
Re: Suse 7.1 Security Question (Francis Ton)
Re: Best E-mail Client? (Garglemonster)
Re: Suse 7.1 Security Question (Michael Heiming)
Re: Bash Prompt Configuration?? (Faux_Pseudo)
NVIDIA & OpenGL (Christos Dimitrakakis)
Re: rtin question ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linux router ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Question about upgrading kernal ("Peter T. Breuer")
Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream> ("Peter T. Breuer")
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From: enkidu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: A Better Web Browser...PLEASE!
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 18:29:16 +1200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hun wrote:
>
> If you consider only the web browser, Yeah! still there is
> no Web browser like IE. Especailly, when you visit M$
> friendly web site.
>
IE doesn't work properly with www.microsoft.com! Visit it
with IE, and much of the time it only renders the banner!
If you refresh it gives you a bit more. Netscape often,
but by no means always, works with www.microsoft.com. So
if I visit that URL I keep both the browsers open and
copy and paste URLs just in case one browser handles the
page better than the other. That site is a pain.
Cheers,
Cliff
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From: DOKool <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.mandrake,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Re: ne/ne2k-pci Re: Mdk7.2 and Realtek 8019 Ethernet Card
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 06:48:49 GMT
I tried this... no luck. the problem with your suggestion is that it assumes
that i know what i'm doing. I, quite frankly, don't =)
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From: Walter Francis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.hardware
Subject: Help setting up USB, almost there?! (Long message, includes some
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:15:00 GMT
I have just received a Dane-Elec USB Smartmedia Reader and I'm real
close to getting it to work, but I can't seem to mount the drive..
# mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt/smart/
mount: /dev/sda1 has wrong major or minor number
I've tried sd[a..d][0..6] or so.. All the same error. And in the
kernel log:
Mar 24 01:56:00 psi modprobe: modprobe: Can't locate module
block-major-8
>From reading other messages, I suspect this means that I have something
wrong with the SCSI setup, but I am not sure what else to do.
I'm pasting relevant SCSI and USB messages from the kernel logs, and
below that the kernel .config files relevant to SCSI and USB. Oh, I
have a KA 6100, on-board USB, two-port card that attaches to the mobo,
as well as a real Adapetec SCSI controller with one SCSI CD-ROM attached
to it. If I can provide any more information please let me know. All
"is not set" lines are removed, except for the one UHCI line to show
which USB driver I used. My motherboard has a VIA chipset.
# USB support
CONFIG_USB=y
CONFIG_USB_DEBUG=y
# Miscellaneous USB options
CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y
# USB Controllers
CONFIG_USB_UHCI=y
# CONFIG_USB_OHCI is not set
# USB Device Class drivers
CONFIG_USB_STORAGE=y
CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_DEBUG=y
CONFIG_USB_STORAGE_FREECOM=y
CONFIG_USB_PRINTER=m
# USB Human Interface Devices (HID)
CONFIG_USB_HID=y
CONFIG_USB_SCANNER=m
CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y
# SCSI support
CONFIG_SCSI=y
CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y
CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING=y
# SCSI low-level drivers
CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y
Kernel log:
Mar 23 22:47:26 psi kernel: SCSI subsystem driver Revision: 1.00
Mar 23 22:47:26 psi kernel: scsi0 : SCSI host adapter emulation for IDE
ATAPI devices
Mar 23 22:47:26 psi kernel: Vendor: PLEXTOR Model: CD-R PX-W1210A
Rev: 1.07
Mar 23 22:47:26 psi kernel: Type: CD-ROM
ANSI SCSI revision: 02
Mar 23 22:47:26 psi kernel: Detected scsi CD-ROM sr0 at scsi0, channel
0, id 0, lun 0
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 32x/32x writer cd/rw
xa/form2 cdda tray
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usbdevfs
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hub
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb-uhci.c: $Revision: 1.251 $ time 18:59:48
Mar 23 2001
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb-uhci.c: High bandwidth mode enabled
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb-uhci.c: USB UHCI at I/O 0xe400, IRQ 10
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb-uhci.c: Detected 2 ports
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb.c: new USB bus registered, assigned bus
number 1
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: Product: USB UHCI Root Hub
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: SerialNumber: e400
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: hub.c: USB hub found
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: hub.c: 2 ports detected
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb.c: registered new driver hid
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: Initializing USB Mass Storage driver...
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb.c: registered new driver usb-storage
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: USB Mass Storage support registered.
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1,
assigned device numbers 2
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout
Mar 23 22:47:27 psi kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout
Mar 23 22:47:28 psi kernel: usb_control/bulk_msg: timeout
Mar 23 22:47:28 psi kernel: usb.c: USB device not responding, giving up
(error=-110)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: hub.c: USB new device connect on bus1/1,
assigned device number 3
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Manufacturer: SCM Microsystems Inc.
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Product: eUSB SmartMedia Adapter
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: usb.c: USB device 3 (vend/prod 0x4e6/0x3) is
not claimed by active driver.
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Length = 18
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: DescriptorType = 01
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: USB version = 1.10
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Vendor:Product = 04e6:0003
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: MaxPacketSize0 = 16
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: NumConfigurations = 1
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Device version = 2.07
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Device Class:SubClass:Protocol = 00:00:00
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Per-interface classes
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Configuration:
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bLength = 9
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bDescriptorType = 02
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: wTotalLength = 0027
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bNumInterfaces = 01
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bConfigurationValue = 01
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: iConfiguration = 03
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bmAttributes = a0
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: MaxPower = 100mA
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel:
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Interface: 0
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Alternate Setting: 0
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bLength = 9
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bDescriptorType = 04
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bInterfaceNumber = 00
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bAlternateSetting = 00
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bNumEndpoints = 03
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bInterface Class:SubClass:Protocol =
ff:01:01
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: iInterface = 04
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Endpoint:
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bLength = 7
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bDescriptorType = 05
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bEndpointAddress = 01 (out)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bmAttributes = 02 (Bulk)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: wMaxPacketSize = 0040
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bInterval = 00
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Endpoint:
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bLength = 7
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bDescriptorType = 05
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bEndpointAddress = 82 (in)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bmAttributes = 02 (Bulk)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: wMaxPacketSize = 0040
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bInterval = 00
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: Endpoint:
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bLength = 7
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bDescriptorType = 05
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bEndpointAddress = 83 (in)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bmAttributes = 03 (Interrupt)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: wMaxPacketSize = 0002
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi kernel: bInterval = 20
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi /sbin/hotplug: arguments (usb) env(PWD=/etc/hotplug
HOSTNAME=psi DEVICE=/proc/bus/usb/001/003 INTERFACE=255/1/1 ACTION=add
DEBUG=kernel MACHTYPE=i386-redhat-linux-gnu OLDPWD=/ DEVFS=/proc/bus/usb
TYPE=0/0/0 SHLVL=1 SHELL=/bin/tcsh HOSTTYPE=i386 OSTYPE=linux-gnu HOME=/
TERM=dumb PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin PRODUCT=4e6/3/207
_=/usr/bin/env)
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi /sbin/hotplug: invoke /etc/hotplug/usb.agent
Mar 23 22:47:29 psi /etc/hotplug/usb.agent: ... no drivers for USB
product 4e6/3/207
--
Walter Francis
http://theblackmoor.net Powered by Red Hat Linux 7.0
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From: David <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Viewing hidden files
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:23:54 GMT
Ron Nicholls wrote:
>
> I was intending to examine the png icon files
> in .enlightenment/themes with Gimp.
> But I find that hidden files seem to be invisible to Gimp
> also gnotepad and gedit. No options exists in the various
> preference menus to change this behaviour.
>
> Can these files be made visible to these apps without
> un-hiding them
Just choose open file and enter the ".file-name"
--
Confucius say: He who play in root, eventually kill tree.
Registered with the Linux Counter. http://counter.li.org
ID # 123538
Completed more W/U's than 99.127% of seti users. +/- 0.01%
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From: Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: halt in /sbin/init
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 07:41:44 +0000
Tai-Lin wrote:
> I installed linux to a 486PC with a flash disk manually.
> When I booted up this computer, the booting process halted after mounted
> the root file system. I traced into the kernel source code, and I am
> pretty sure that the kernel launched /sbin/init correctly.
> However, the /sbin/init stuck halfway and didn't put any message
> on my screen.
>
> Does anyone know what sequence the /sbin/init would execute after the
> kernel is loaded and how could I trace the init to find where the process
> stuck?
> I copied /etc/inittab and /etc/rc.d from other computer. Is there any
> thing that I should modify? What else should I copy to boot up my system?
why did you copy this these directories instead of using the ones installed
by whichever distribution you have used? These directories contain scripts
which will only normally work with the the same distribution and often the
same version of that distribution.
you can't easily install a linux system on another box by just copying
everything across.
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From: "BetrOffDed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Viewing hidden files
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:01:21 GMT
In article <3abc35a1$0$25468$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ron
Nicholls" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I was intending to examine the png icon files in .enlightenment/themes
> with Gimp.
> But I find that hidden files seem to be invisible to Gimp also gnotepad
> and gedit. No options exists in the various preference menus to change
> this behaviour. Can these files be made visible to these apps without
> un-hiding them
> --
its a gtk thing. type a dot in the filename box and then hit <tab> and
they should magically appear.
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From: Chris Rankin <pacbell.net@{no.spam}rankinc>
Subject: Re: SB Live Value PCI - No CD Audio?
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:01:56 -0800
Keeper of the Key to Time wrote:
> I'm running Mandrake 7.2, kernel has basic sound modules compiled, plus
> support for EMU10K (lsmod shows "soundcore" and "emu10k1" loaded when I'm
> playing sounds). HardDrake [chuckle] detected the card and didn't seem to
> do much; it works great for playing every type of audio I can think of --
> except CDs.
It could just be a non-obvious mixer setting. I couldn't hear a note out
of my CD drive until I raised the *video* volume, for example. Don't ask
me why. Mind you, this was with a built-in sound chip.
Chris
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From: Francis Ton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux.suse
Subject: Re: Suse 7.1 Security Question
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 08:18:19 GMT
So how did you secured it before? With a firewall I hope. Check out David
Ranch's excellent homepage at
http://www.ecst.csuchico.edu/~dranch/LINUX/index-linux.html
Francis Ton
Robert Pomerenk wrote:
> I am planning on installing Suse 7.1 on my desktop. I will be accessing the
> Internet by cable modem. My question is what do I need to do to insure that
> I have a secure installation.
>
> Any suggestions for a newbie would be appreciated.
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From: Garglemonster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.networking
Subject: Re: Best E-mail Client?
Date: 24 Mar 2001 17:53:01 +0900
>>>>> "Christian" == Christian Garms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Christian> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (H.Bruijn) writes:
>> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 10:32:04 +0000, John Beardmore allegedly wrote:
>> structurise your texts, which you can also do in in Word,
>> except that hardly anyone does, most people end up using a
>> larger bold font size to designate chapters and number them
>> manually.
Christian> Hehe, but M$-Word is ok, I've written my whole
Christian> PhD-Thesis in Word. No offense to you, but Word is not
Christian> that bad. Especially if you have EndNote, so the
Christian> endnotes for references really work nifty.
did mine in latex, so there. it was better than "not that bad" in
that it allowed me to forget about all but a few formatting issues.
(there was a widow or an orphan somewhere that i had to fix before the
ex-marine-football-jock-dissertation-fuhrer would accept my thesis.)
anyway, did you try printing your thesis with a different machine
and/or printer? fun right? it will also be a gas to read your thesis
with word[n] 10 years from now. even if it weren't the buggy piece o'
shit that it is, the upgrade treadmill is a good enough reason to stay
away from word.
Christian> If you use LyX (graphical WYSIWIG frontend for LaTeX),
Christian> the learning curve isn't that steep. My recommendation:
Christian> Try LyX, and then switch to LaTex (if you want).
i dunno... everyone says this, but i still find lyx _more_ difficult
than plain old latex. i don't think latex is that difficult,
especially if you've done some web pages or programming.
g.m. phd
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Laundry is the fifth dimension!! ... um ... um ... th' washing machine
is a black hole and the pink socks are bus drivers who just fell in!!
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Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 09:57:38 +0100
From: Michael Heiming <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Suse 7.1 Security Question
Robert Pomerenk wrote:
>
> I am planning on installing Suse 7.1 on my desktop. I will be accessing the
> Internet by cable modem. My question is what do I need to do to insure that
> I have a secure installation.
>
> Any suggestions for a newbie would be appreciated.
Hello,
there come some SuSE specific scripts to setup your firewall, just be sure to
dowload the latestes patches for SuSE 7.1 from http://www.suse.com, there are
quite a "few"...:-(
Michael Heiming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Faux_Pseudo)
Subject: Re: Bash Prompt Configuration??
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 10:19:51 GMT
the system default for your PS1 variable is
kept in /etc/bashrc and /etc/profile
and you can set PS1 in there
also i wrote a script to customize the bash prompt
see my sig for details
--(Once apon a time, in comp.os.linux.setup,)--
--(David Efflandt said it like only they can.)--
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 00:46:38 GMT, Dodd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I recently had to Reinstall RH6.2 after a failed attempt to upgrade to
> >7.0 As a result, my fs was completely screwed. However, I was able
> >to put the HD in another computer and save my /etc directory.
>>
> >I reinstalled RH and copied the old /etc directory back. Since then,
> >my bash prompt has been nothing but 'bash$' or 'bash#.' I am able to
> >change it by putting a line in the bash_profile script that says
>>
> > PS1="[\u@\h \W]$ "
>>
> >I see that line in the bashrc file it has a bitwise AND comparing it
> >to something else. However, I shouldn't have to define my prompt in
> >the bash_profile by hand. What should I check??
>>
> >Also, even when I have my accounts with a good prompt (via the above
> >hack), if I su to the other account it goes back to just 'bash$' I
> >assume that the bashrc script is called when you su to another user
> >(instead of that user's bash_profile being used). This is really
> >annoying. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!!!
>
> man su
>
> 'su' does not inherit the env of the user you su to.
> 'su -' or 'su - username' does.
>
> --
> David Efflandt [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.de-srv.com/
> http://www.autox.chicago.il.us/ http://www.berniesfloral.net/
> http://cgi-help.virtualave.net/ http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cgi-wiz/
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--([EMAIL PROTECTED]:45_/home/faux)-- cat .sig
GUI's are for slackers. ibpconf.sh 6.1 on freshmeat.net
The easiest way to customize the command line. By Faux_Pseudo
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From: Christos Dimitrakakis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: NVIDIA & OpenGL
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 12:51:01 +0200
Hi,
I've had an NVIDIA M64 gfx card, which I upgraded from NVIDIA's site
with the latest drivers.
I also d/l new OpenGL drivers for it; I tried both the smp and the
enterprise linux version, but they both fail to start up properly.. my
kernel is 2.4.2 configured with no SMP - I guess this would mean that I
use the enterprise-RH7.0 version.. now I can't uninstall the new nvidia
drivers or use the new ones...
Can someone tell me which packages I need to install to have GLUT GLIDE,
MESA, OpenGL, work properly on my system with NVIDIA M64?
System: RH7.0 w linux-2.4.2(no smp), AMD Athlon K7, Nvidia M64
Cheers
Christos
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: rtin question
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:04:56 GMT
Donald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Carlos D. Garza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : I am useing my ISPs NNTP server from a 56K modem dialup. Probmel is that
> : rtin has a bad habit of squeezeing the several megabyte active file from the
> : remote NNTP server down the 56K straw. I only read a few news groups so how
> : do I get tin to ignore the bulbous remote active file and only look at the
> : newsgroups I specify?
> : Every now and then I don't mind downloading the activefile and searching
> : for new newsgroups that may have recently poped up but this half hour wait
> : every time I start tin is getting annoying.
> I don't know if this will help or not but I seem to remember doing
> something similar awhile back. I went ahead and let it download
Curiously, I DO do this.
oboe:/usr/oboe/ptb% alias tin
rtin -f /usr/oboe/ptb/.newsrc-$NNTPSERVER -G 200 -n
I suppose it's the -n.
-n Only load groups from the active file that are
subscribed to in the user's $HOME/.newsrc.
This allows a noticeable speedup when connect-
ing via a slow line, but tin cannot tell which
groups are moderated.
> the whole thing once. I then copied my .newsrc to .newsrc_all (so
> that I could later search it for the names of news groups I was interested
> in) Then I created a .newsrc file with only the newsgroups that I was
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux router
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.networking
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:04:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Kresimir Marzic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Adam Schuetze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> * on [21 Mar 2001 22:16:13 GMT]:
>> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 05:06:06 GMT, Hernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > only trouble I have run into is with the 3com 3c509 cards as they give all
>> > sorts of grief.
>>
>> I use 3c509b's exclusively, with no trouble. What sort of grief
>> are you referring to?
>>
>> Did you make sure you turned off plug and pray with the 3com
>> dos-based utility?
> I have 3c509b too. How I can disable PNP using linux only? Is there any
> utility for Linux available?
Yes, "there is". Go to donald beckers website and pick it up.
It's called
3c5x9setup
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question about upgrading kernal
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:04:59 GMT
hoffmyster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am using RH5.2 with kernal 2.2.14.
> Can anyone please tell me if it is worth my while to upgrade to 2.4.2??
NO. What would be your advantage in doing so? Has your hardware
suddenly become unsupported by 2.2.14 (which probably is worth updating
to 2.2.17 to close some security holes - I don't like 2.2.18)?
> It appears that possibly I don't have the latest modutils, binutils,
> etc.
What does the "possibly" mean here? But you don't need the latest! You
need the versions specified in the kernel sources Changes files.
> I do have according to the changes file the correct versions of gcc and
> make.
A good start. Now continue on your way ...
> Has anyone out there successfully upgraded from pre 2.2.x to 2.4.2?
Plenty. But it is not an upgrade, it is a change. They have differnt
major numbers, so they are not compatible. You will need some different
utility programs .. pppd being the most notable.
> If so did you have to do anything beyond just configuring, compiling and
> installing?
They had to update their tools before compiling, and update
some utilities afterwards. The requirements are noted in the changes
file. But you can limit yourself to doing binutils and modutils
before, and pppd afterwards.
Peter
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From: "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux <scream>Frustration!</scream>
Crossposted-To: alt.comp.hardware.pc-homebuilt
Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2001 11:04:57 GMT
In comp.os.linux.setup Thumper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Peter T. Breuer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.setup Laura Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > "Peter T. Breuer" wrote:
>>
>> >> Find a driver (i.e. X server) with support and drop it in. Shrug.
>>
>> > You make it sound so easy. This is one reason why some people say Linux
>> > sucks, Peter: because they have been led to believe that they will be
>> > able to used the OS if they simply install it and start using it, and
>> > it's not really that easy, Peter.
>>
>> It really is logical:
>>
>> 0) find driver (how?)
>> 1) get driver (ftp or http)
>> 2) install it (read the README and do what it says)
>> 3) configure it (edit your XF86COnfig as per the nice instructions)
>> 4) run it (/usr/X11R6/bin/X, or use startx ..)
>>
>> Step 0 is the hurdle for you. You don't know what you're looking for or
>> where to look. For that you should ask here.
> It goes a little farther than that I think Peter. People are making an
Mmm .. you seem to be switching the topic here. You're saying that the
answer is irrelevant and what is needed is the handholding.
> effort to switch to Linux, and instead of doing everything that can be done
> to help, people get responses like "RTFM", or $man <subject>. Like it or
This is not what I said. But the sequence above _is_ the only logical way to
tackle the problem. Anything else is just close eyes and hope. And nor
is it a difficult sequence. Think of it (without the patronizing
overtones, which are not intended) as:
0) find shop that sells potatoes (how?)
1) get potatoes (car or carry)
2) drop potatoes in pot (open the packet, peel if necessary)
3) cook potatoes (turn on heat, set for 15 mins)
4) serve potatoes (..)
> standard, $man <whatever>, remember that it also does not contain all the
> answers.
Oh, it does.
> Now me, I'm an obstinate SOB, and those type answers don't deter me from
That's fine. Though apparantly a DOB, not a SOB.
Peter
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