On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 2:04 PM Vasily Khoruzhick <anars...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 2:24 AM Thierry Reding <thierry.red...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 05, 2019 at 09:57:37AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 05:22:58PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 04:59:09PM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 12:22:18PM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 10:40:12AM +0100, Daniel Vetter wrote:
> > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 09:23:59AM +0100, Thierry Reding wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 04, 2019 at 12:13:55AM -0800, Vasily Khoruzhick
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 11:43 PM Thierry Reding
> > > > > > > > > <thierry.red...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 03, 2019 at 10:54:57AM -0800, Vasily Khoruzhick
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > eDP panels usually have EDID EEPROM, so there's no need
> > > > > > > > > > > to define panel
> > > > > > > > > > > width/height or any modes/timings in dts. But this panel
> > > > > > > > > > > still may have
> > > > > > > > > > > regulator and/or backlight.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Signed-off-by: Vasily Khoruzhick <anars...@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > > ---
> > > > > > > > > > > .../devicetree/bindings/display/panel/panel-edp.txt
> > > > > > > > > > > | 7 +++++++
> > > > > > > > > > > 1 file changed, 7 insertions(+)
> > > > > > > > > > > create mode 100644
> > > > > > > > > > > Documentation/devicetree/bindings/display/panel/panel-edp.txt
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please don't try to make panels look more generic than they
> > > > > > > > > > really are.
> > > > > > > > > > You're going to have to provide a compatible string for
> > > > > > > > > > your device that
> > > > > > > > > > is more specific than "panel-edp". You claim that you don't
> > > > > > > > > > need any
> > > > > > > > > > extra information that is panel specific, but you don't
> > > > > > > > > > know that now.
> > > > > > > > > > We have in the past thought that we didn't need things like
> > > > > > > > > > prepare
> > > > > > > > > > delay, but then we ran into situations where we did need
> > > > > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Just do what everybody else does. Provide a specific
> > > > > > > > > > compatible string
> > > > > > > > > > and match on that in the panel-simple driver. Even if you
> > > > > > > > > > can read all
> > > > > > > > > > the video timings from an EDID EEPROM, you can still
> > > > > > > > > > provide a mode in
> > > > > > > > > > the panel descriptor to serve as a fallback if for example
> > > > > > > > > > the EEPROM
> > > > > > > > > > is faulty on some device.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Pinebook used several 768p panels that have slightly
> > > > > > > > > different timings
> > > > > > > > > and recent batch uses 1080p panel.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What panel descriptor should I use as fallback?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > You don't use panel descriptors as fallback. The simple-panel
> > > > > > > > driver
> > > > > > > > will bind to a panel device and use the corresponding
> > > > > > > > descriptor. If
> > > > > > > > your device tree contains the correct information, the
> > > > > > > > descriptor is
> > > > > > > > correct for the panel you have.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In other words you need to ensure that you have the correct
> > > > > > > > panel in
> > > > > > > > device tree for the board that you're using. This is exactly
> > > > > > > > the same
> > > > > > > > thing as for other devices.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One way to to this is to have separate device trees for each
> > > > > > > > variant
> > > > > > > > of the board that you want to support. Another variant may be
> > > > > > > > to have
> > > > > > > > a common device tree and then have some early firmware update
> > > > > > > > the DTB
> > > > > > > > with the correct panel information.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This would defeat the point of edp, which is to standardize the
> > > > > > > mess of
> > > > > > > panels (at least somewhat) and avoid having to change the DT/ACPI
> > > > > > > tables/firmware for every board you ship. Also, we do have DP
> > > > > > > quirking
> > > > > > > infrastructure already (using the OUI), I think if there's
> > > > > > > something that
> > > > > > > doesn't work then we should quirk it there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The problem is that while the attempt may have been to standardize,
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > failed. It doesn't take into account any of the details such as
> > > > > > timing
> > > > > > between things like powering up the display and enabling the
> > > > > > backlight
> > > > > > or similar. I don't know how you'd want to "quirk" those kinds of
> > > > > > requirements because they are highly panel specific.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hm right, we get these from some firmware tables (and mix them with
> > > > > the
> > > > > spec one, since some of the firmware values are nonsense). I don't
> > > > > even
> > > > > know whether we can read the timings over dp aux somehow (you can
> > > > > power up
> > > > > the panel with some pessimistic values to figure those out, and you
> > > > > only
> > > > > need dp aux to work, which is much simpler than the entire panel).
> > > > >
> > > > > > > What does make sense though imo is if we try not to stuff the edp
> > > > > > > panel
> > > > > > > into panel-simple, because it's anything like a simple dumb
> > > > > > > panel. There's
> > > > > > > also some integration awkwardness since with this panel you need
> > > > > > > to do dp
> > > > > > > aux/i2c transactions to get at the information (edid alone isn't
> > > > > > > good
> > > > > > > enough for edp), and I'm not sure how exactly that's supposed to
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > instantiated. Maybe a special function to instantiate an edp
> > > > > > > panel, which
> > > > > > > takes both a DT node and the dp_aux controller would be much
> > > > > > > better,
> > > > > > > instead of trying to auto-match against a DT compatible string
> > > > > > > and load a
> > > > > > > panel driver which is almost all fake.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Or we teach dp_aux to register itself and somehow teach panel-edp
> > > > > > > how it
> > > > > > > can get hold of the dp_aux channel it needs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We already do that. drm_dp_aux registers as an I2C adapter that can
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > used to read EDID EEPROMs using I2C-over-AUX transactions. We
> > > > > > already
> > > > > > use that on some platforms.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also note that simple-panel already supports getting video timings
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > EDID. If a DDC link is present in DT, the driver will load the modes
> > > > > > from EDID and use them.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could we extend this to dp aux somehow? For edp you need the dp aux
> > > > > (which
> > > > > then gives you the ddc link automatically).
> > > >
> > > > I suppose we could do that. We could introduce a new property that would
> > > > allow the panel driver to get at the struct drm_dp_aux that can access
> > > > the panel. I'm not sure how much that would buy us. I suppose the driver
> > > > could go and use that drm_dp_aux to do I2C-over-AUX and ignore any
> > > > ddc-bus property in device tree. A drm_dp_aux object could also be used
> > > > to access DPCD if that's helpful.
> > > >
> > > > The driver proposed here doesn't need access to DPCD, so I'm not sure
> > > > that would immediately help.
> > >
> > > You definitely need dp aux to drive edp. That's where a lot of the really
> > > important stuff is stored, and it sounds like on non-broken panels even
> > > the timings (we've never implemented that on i915 somehow).
> >
> > I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I haven't worked with
> > eDP panels in a while, but my recollection is that you can use DP AUX to
> > read video timings over EDID. We provide support for that by exporting a
> > DP AUX controller as I2C adapter (i.e. register with the I2C subsystem)
> > and then that I2C adapter can be used to read the EDID. I wasn't aware
> > that eDP panels additionally stored the video timings somewhere else.
> >
> > What I meant above was that aside from the I2C-over-AUX for reading the
> > EDID, this driver doesn't do anything else with DP AUX in order to turn
> > the panel on. Looking at the eDP support we have on Tegra, there's a
> > DPCD register (DP_SET_POWER) that needs to be written in order to take
> > the sink device (i.e. panel) out of the power saving state. We do that
> > as part of the connector implementation rather than within the panel
> > driver. There are also additional registers such as DP_LINK_BW_SET that
> > need to be programmed. I think this is also relevant to regular DP and
> > detailed in the specification.
> >
> > Given all the above, I'm beginning to think that Rob's right in that
> > perhaps we shouldn't be treating eDP panels as panels, but rather to
> > make them look more like DP monitors and make all this code part of the
> > connector implementation. I think pretty much the only differences to
> > regular DP are that we might require some lower-level resources that a
> > DP monitor would usually have built-in (reset or power GPIOs, power
> > supplies, backlight, ...).
>
> I spent some time poking drm_connector code and I came to conclusion
> that it's not a good idea.
> Basically edp-connector driver will duplicate simple-panel code and
> will bring extra complexity
> into bridge driver for no benefit at all.
I said this on irc, but for everyone's benefit, what's used in the
kernel and the binding don't have to be aligned. I still think
following a connector binding in DT makes sense even if the kernel
implementation is actually a panel driver. Really, there's no
difference in bindings between a connector node and panel node.
> Also currently there are no stand-alone connector drivers, they all
> are part of display controller
> driver.
Probably that is something to be refactored. I think we have lots of cases of:
if (is_connector)
// call connector func
else
// call panel func
Or maybe that was panel vs. bridge (then a connector)? It's been a
while since I looked at this. In any case, each device in the chain
shouldn't really have much knowledge as to what it is attached to.
> One more thing to add is that I'm not sure that drm_connector is
> suitable for managing power
> and backlight - I can't find appropriate callback in
> drm_connector_funcs to enable power and/or
> backlight. Basically there's nothing similar to enable() or disable()
> from drm_bridge_funcs.
Nobody has put the 5V supply on HDMI on a switchable regulator? It may
need to be always on for HPD to work, but I wouldn't expect all board
designers to get that right.
> > I'm not sure if that's enough for eDP panels, though. For example the
> > AUO B133HTN01 panel, used by the exynos5800-peach-pi, seems to be an eDP
> > panel. But the driver also specifies a couple of additional delays which
> > suggests that either it violates the eDP specification or that the eDP
> > specification doesn't define any power sequencing delays that would've
> > been needed. Or perhaps these delays are specified somewhere and the
> > driver just doesn't use them?
>
> Sigh. We can't foresee any bizarre behavior some hardware may or may
> not have.
Bingo! You just summed up why we have specific compatibles.
> Anyway,
> can you propose something that can handle same hardware with different
> edp panels via
> single software image (u-boot aka firmware is part of software image)
> and is acceptable
> upstream?
compatible = "vendor,some-panel", "edp-connector";
Either you have to fixup the first string for the actual panel or have
some testing up front that you don't need to. The kernel can start
with only using the fallback string and if panel constraints turn out
to be specified sufficiently, we'll never need to use the panel
compatible.
Rob
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