On Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 11:17:25PM +0100, Oliver Neukum wrote:
> 
> > What ones?  I can't think of any right off the top of my head.
> 
> ioctls for getting complex information.

read() works fine for getting complex information too :)

> > > Folk would benefit from being able to bind/unbind drivers from
> > > interfaces (viz that recent VMWare note, and there are other cases
> > > too).
> >
> > Agreed.  The pencam userspace program has this problem right now with
> > the video kernel driver being bound to the device.  I'd love a solution
> > for that right now, so much that I'd be willing to add a new ioctl :)
> >
> > > Taking a new approach to usbfs might be productive, but that
> > > might make it look more like a driverfs add-on ... :)
> >
> > Heh, the idea is the same (no ioctls, read and write different files),
> > but it would be separate from the driverfs tree probably, as it doesn't
> > pertain to the main driverfs issue.
> >
> > See pcihpfs in the kernel right now for an idea of what I am thinking
> > of.
> 
> This does look like yet another filesystem.

It is another filesystem.  If you look in /proc/filesystems, you will
see lots of them.  They are multiplying!

And with libfs in the 2.5 kernel now, they are easier than ever to
write.

> We need some centralised point for doing
> device configuration.

That's what userspace tools are for :)

thanks,

greg k-h

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