On Friday 27 August 2004 17:12, Stephen J. Gowdy wrote: >Strong personalities don't always make for tranquillity, but they > can produce a lot of valuable output. > >If you have a usb-storage (standard) device, this changes don't > effect you, does it?
Not in this case, but I did have plans to go get one of those cameras on my next trip to town. Its about 30 miles up the interstate to a Circuit City for me, and thats the best there is right now short of a 200+ mile drive up to Pittsburg PA. So yes, I do do my research before putting the key in the switch. > >When I buy something I look to see what is supported by a > manufacturer. THe one (well two) items I've bought that do have > closed-source drivers are graphics cards (I've bought one each from > NVidia and ATI to not favour one or the other). There doesn't seem > to be a good one that has completely open-source accelerated > drivers. I do too. The last nvidia card wound up costing me a motherboard as it presented shorts on the bus's as it was failing. So now I have an ATI, and another bad motherboard I''m still trying to get replaced, difficult since my favorite dealer in Tampa went tits up in hurricane Charley. No damage to the business, but it was a good excuse to run with the money I guess. :-( >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Gene Heskett wrote: >> On Friday 27 August 2004 13:42, Stephen J. Gowdy wrote: >> >Webcam with batteries.. guess I don't get it. >> >> Note I didn't say it was a webcam. Its a digital zoom 3.2 >> megapixel normal digital + zoom lens camera I paid over $500 USD >> for 2 years ago. Thanks to its ubiticus(sp) usb connector, and >> the usb libraries, its a normal vfat file system I can mount just >> as if it was a small M$ (shudder) hard drive whose capacity is >> whatever smartcard I've got plugged into it at the time. >> >> No, a webcam it ain't, by about 2+ pounds hanging on my neck. >> >> The part that you aren't getting is that A: That was apparently a >> pretty good webcam, and B: It was (till Nemosoft got something? >> caught crossways over losing his hook into kernel space for the >> binaries whose srcs are not GPL'd) the ONLY webcam with linux >> drivers, and now we are, as they say in Vegas, shit out of luck. >> >> The pissing match then got rapidly out of hand because of what the >> majority of the users feel was an arbitrary 'take out the kernel >> space binary hook' which in turn required some re-writing on >> Nemosofts part in order to work around it entirely in user space. >> Nemosoft refused to do it, and instead pulled the code totally >> after some pretty hard insults vis-a-vis the parallel commercial >> developement aspects of the code were traded back and forth in the >> heat of the argument. >> >> Now, does that clarify the situation sufficiently? >> >> Sorry about the language, my half-a$$ed apologies to the list, >> but thats how it seems to this old fart. There weren't any voices >> for soothing sanity in the middle of that dogfight, it was over >> and done with before most of us realised the fight was on, all in >> the space of maybe 2 hours. Sigh... >> >> >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Gene Heskett wrote: >> >> On Friday 27 August 2004 12:33, Stephen J. Gowdy wrote: >> >> >Why not buy something that works instead of some hardware that >> >> > the manufacturer won't let people write drivers for? >> >> >> >> You missed the point Stephen. That point was that so far, this >> >> was the only "webcam" camera that actually worked with linux. >> >> Lots of other more prosaicly normal digital cameras, like my >> >> Olympus C3020, work just fine albeit its unmitigated hell on >> >> batteries by the pocket full. I don't go anyplace without at >> >> least 2 spare 4 packs of AA's. >> >> >> >> Now, I'm not smart enough to write a driver for one of those, >> >> and I've got a very small Logitech paperweight here that I'd >> >> like to make work myself. A ClickSmart 310. >> >> >> >> If you are, then jump right in, the water is usually fine... >> >> And we will then beat a path to your door for that better >> >> mousetrap. >> >> >> >> >On Fri, 27 Aug 2004, Joshua Pollak wrote: >> >> >> Ok, whats the deal with this? >> >> >> >> >> >> http://osnews.com/story.php?news_id=8127 >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.smcc.demon.nl/webcam/ >> >> >> >> >> >> [rant] >> >> >> Open Source is great, there's nothing more important. But >> >> >> when a company like Phillips only allows a 50/50 compromise, >> >> >> you've got to go with it. Preventing the PWC developer from >> >> >> hooking to a binary module could cause a large blow to >> >> >> adopting Linux on the desktop. >> >> >> >> >> >> How can Distro-producers market Linux to consumers who want >> >> >> to do video conferencing if they can't support the most >> >> >> common webcams on the market? >> >> >> >> >> >> How am I supposed to keep Linux in use at my computer vision >> >> >> company when we rely on these webcams for data capture and >> >> >> testing, and now we can't use them? Its a hard enough battle >> >> >> proving Linux's strong points to the administrators, now I >> >> >> have to counter a major, self inflicted downside. >> >> >> >> >> >> Brilliant strategy for furthering Linux's goals. >> >> >> >> >> >> This is taking ideology too far, what's next, banning >> >> >> commercial software and binary only programs from user-space >> >> >> too? [/rant] >> >> >> >> >> >> -Josh >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop >> >> >> FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! >> >> >> Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. >> >> >> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5047&alloc_id=10808&op=click >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> To unsubscribe, use the last form field at: >> >> >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/linux-usb-users >> >> > >> >> >-- >> >> > /------------------------------------+----------------------- >> >> >--\ >> >> > >> >> >|Stephen J. 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