On Thu, 2 Jun 2005, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:

> Hello
> 
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Alan Stern wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 30 May 2005, Guennadi Liakhovetski wrote:
> > 
> > It sounds like there's some subtle incompatibility between the hub and 
> > your host controller.  Beats me what it could be.  Insufficient power?
> 
> Same when I connect a power supply to the hub.

So that's not it...

> > Does it make any different if you unload the ehci-hcd driver so everything 
> > runs only at full speed?
> 
> Yes. Then it's ok.
> 
> Another test I've performed - borrowed another 2.0 hub. First time I 
> plugged it in I was able to transfer the whole mem-stick (128MB) with dd 
> without an error! Then I discnnected it, reconnected the old one to verify 
> - errors. Reconnected the borrowed one - errors... Have I killed it too 
> now in this subtle inexplicable way?...

Very unlikely.

> All the same with a USB disk.
> 
> A brief summary for David, in case he didn't follow this (added to CC):
> 
> 2 PCs with VIA (UHCI companion) and ALi (OHCI) 2.0 cards, 1 high-speed 
> hub, high-speed mem-stick, card-reader and disk, full-speed bluetooth.
> 
> All work connected directly to PCs.
> 
> Work connected to hub, connected to VIA.
> 
> High-speed not work connected to the hub on ALi with EHCI, but work with 
> OHCI only. Bluetooth works.
> 
> I could borrow a USB-analyser, perhaps... If it would help. 

I can't think of anything else to try.  It seems clear that this is a 
tricky low-level hardware incompatibility of some sort.  It's not 
surprising that it only shows up at high speed, since high-speed transfers 
make much stronger demands on the hardware.

There have been equally weird examples where high-speed devices wouldn't 
work when plugged directly into the PC but would work when attached 
through a hub.  Apparently you've run across the converse sort of failure.

Alan Stern



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