Greetings!
Sorry for seeming impatient, but there is much other very important
and pressing business (and people) requiring attention. Will see what can be
done with Ubuntu, but will also consider SuSE. Will document the errors in
loading KDE in Ubuntu, having installed the KDE packages, so it can
(hopefully) be recovered and resolved without loss of data and settings.
Regards,
Bhaktavatsala Dasa (Vatsala)
@http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~vatsalaji - Hare Krishna!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Rout" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "clug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 2004 8:35 p.m.
Subject: Re: GUI user...
> Look vatsala I enjoy your company and you are a nice guy, but I have had
> about enough.
>
> Re some of the issues you have raised:
>
> 1. you are the most impatient person I have met in a month of sundays,
> despite saying that you realise patience is needed.
>
> 2. you have your modem going, I spent 2 1/2 hours with you yesterday,
> plus very many hours online and on the list researching and sending you
> tips. I told you last night, and the list, that I would document your
> case and what we did to fix it. now you say "I don't know what Nick did
> or how to get it back." I am so sorry that I have a life and a business
> and have not had time yet (a day later) to do that.
>
> 3. now for some reason you think you need a reinstall and
> reconfiguration. reinstall is rarely needed in linux, and you have not
> given us any idea what error messages you are getting on boot, nor what
> you did that preceded this apparent disaster. "installed some kde
> packages" is insufficient. Insufficient for linux diagnostics,
> insufficient in windows diagnostics too I suggest. What did you install?
> How did you install it? What error messages are you getting? Will it
> boot off a cd? Will knoppix boot (using the noapic nolapic options we
> used for ubuntu)
>
> 4. I am not sure what the problem is with the network-admin program in
> your ubuntu install. however running a terminal and typing "sudo wvdial"
> is certainly pretty damn easy. you should NOT expect everything to work
> exactly as in windows, a little of your oft-claimed patience and you
> will realise that most of the linux tools are in fact more logical and
> more effective. Having done some research on the laptop before purchase
> would have helped too.
>
> 5. i suggested modem lights because it was mentioned in the osnews
> article i referred you to. If you had even the remotest clue you would
> see that modem lights has a facility to set what program is utilised to
> connect to the net., I don't run a modem, so I do not know if this will
> work, but have you tried putting wvdial in the appropriate pleac in the
> modem lights configuration screen? I would suggest killall wvdial as the
> disconnect program.
>
> 6. if you were a complete computer newbie I would not be so grumpy, but
> you claim to have been using computers and the internet for many years.
> You surely know a little bit about troubleshooting, seeking help in a
> community, looking up a web site, right clicking and choosing the
> obvious from a menu and other blatantly obvious stuff. Try applying it!
>
> 7. above all try sending emails that make sense, not a pile of drivel.
> I respect your religous and political views, indeed I imagine that the
> Hare Krishna movement and the Free Software movement have some
> synergies. But for heavens sake when you want a technical response, ask
> a technical question. For example your question about sound in web
> browsers could simply have said "I am using firefox on ubuntu linux, can
> anyone tell me how to play .wav files embedded in a web page within the
> browser? sound in general is working in ubuntu". The rest was otiose.
>
> 8. This IS a fairly social list and a lot of off-topic posts and newbie
> fluff is tolerated. But your long paragraphs, often including a lot of
> repetition from previous messages (or even the same message) is getting
> a bit much. Please please we like you being in the community, but please
> please have a little netiquette. Try googling for "esr how to ask a
> question" - I am sick of searching for and posting the link.
>
> 9. Passages such as this "So, what to do? Where are
> the competent experts to resolve all these crazy issues? You got them?
Isn't
> that what the list is for?" are just downright rude. Ask some intelligent,
succinct questions and you might get some answers.
>
>
> On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 18:36, eBhakta wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > And the apic thing...? Anyone have a copy? Don't mind to give it a
go
> > with SuSE... considering more people are using it... Just installed some
KDE
> > packages in Ubuntu, and now it won't boot to Ubuntu (errors). Being
raised
> > on MSWindows from a baby (practically), it's a big ask to expect to know
> > very quickly the system. Also, in configuring, there's many conflicting
> > programs/scripts etc., such as has happened here now. Also, the
developers
> > need to coordinate more, and work together so as to produce a
professional
> > product. Anyway, it is (as was said to someone recently) available for
free
> > download (and the Ubuntu distro was given free). But oh the problems in
> > getting it all set up okay, and geting to know how to re-set it all up
okay
> > again. Now it seems a re-install is required, and re-configuring!
Sh#t!!!
> > Still haven't figured out what Nick did, and will lose everything he
> > downloaded for configuring the modem on re-install... :$ All that's
happened
> > is that Nick managed to confirm what was already ascertained, that the
modem
> > should (and does) work okay under Ubuntu/Debian/Linux. Problem these
days is
> > that so many (greedy) people are trying to make a fortune from that
which is
> > given freely, out of love, and compassion. Rascals!!! They will suffer
for
> > their greed, much more than those who must witness (and be exposed to)
their
> > greed. So, give it up! Stop being greedy! Have some mercy on those less
> > "fortunate" and who need the support of those "better" situated.
Otherwise
> > there will be HELL to pay! So, back to the "other operating system" now.
> > Trippy! But at least it's working okay, at present. And yes, it is VERY
> > familiar. "Ignorance is bliss?" Don't think so. So, what to do? Where
are
> > the competent experts to resolve all these crazy issues? You got them?
Isn't
> > that what the list is for? Now there are heaps of emails bombarding the
> > inbox here (from other Linux lists as well), just in order to resolve a
few
> > petty issues in getting it going on a couple of insignificant computers!
> > Sh#t!!! The other system is up and running, so, gunna stick with that
for a
> > while, thank you! Didn't expect it would be such a trip to configure
Linux
> > to work... :$ And now it's crapped out! Hey! Guess what...!
Linux/Windows
> > or not, though foolish people think differently, there is NO life
without
> > Hare Krishna!
> >
> > Sincerely etc.,
> > Bhaktavatsala Dasa (Vatsala)
> >
> > @ http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~vatsalaji - Hare Krishna!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rik Tindall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "CLUG (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, 2 November 2004 5:54 p.m.
> > Subject: Re: GUI user...
> >
> >
> > > SuSE 9.1 (or 9.2) is also worth trying, if you have a spare partition
> > > (c6GB is plenty).
> > >
> > > It is likely to run your modem with much less fiddling, and give you
> > > more programs with less need to download (initially).
> > >
> > > More people on-List are using the current SuSE, which has been around
6
> > > months = more help.
> > >
> > > ebhakta wrote:
> > >
> > > >Umm...
> > > >
> > > > Tried installing other distros, but they wouldn't install due to
apic
> > > >problem in the kernel...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On Tue, 2004-11-02 at 16:25 +1300, Fisher, Robert (FXNZ CHC) wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>Out of curiosity Vatsala, what made you choose Ubuntu Linux?
> > > >>
> > > >>The reason I ask this is that I cannot help but think that more help
> > would
> > > >>be at hand for you from local users familiar with other distros
which
> > have
> > > >>been around a while longer. Ubuntu is a very new distro even though
it
> > is
> > > >>based on the very stable Debian.
> > > >>
> > > >>Just a thought.
> > > >>
> > > >>BTW - with regards to a GUI html editor. I use Nvu too but it is not
> > much
> > > >>different to Mozilla Composer which is probably easier for you to
> > install
> > > >>(just install the Mozilla package).
> > > >>
> > > >>Regards,
> > > >>
> > > >>Robert
> > > >>
> > > [NB *** please delete your email software's Reply-To setting *** :-]
> > >
> > >
>
>
