Well that generated a healthy discussion, thanks for all the interesting 
comments and thoughts.

I think Andy is on my wavelength here, the reality is that there are a lot of 
people going into flats now, that have decided not to get the phone conected 
due to the costs (connection fee and rental), and just use their cell phone.  
At home we have at least 4 cell phones (not I though thankfully) - and we have 
a (unused at present) saturn cable -so I am thinking that it may just work for 
us, might take a bit to convince the so1/2 though.

ciao

Lance B
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Errington  
Sent: Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:53:37 +1300 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: Xtra jetstream new plans.... 


On Thu, 16 Dec 2004 15:40, you wrote:
> > Well, that would be VOIP (voice over IP).  Look for Skype, Vonage,
> > Net2Phone and their ilk.
>
> 2 problems with that:
>
> 1) Reliability and versatility. Can you really call all numbers? POTS is
> rock-solid.

I do need reliability, but I don't need to call all numbers- only the ones 
that interest me.  

> 2) You cross your fingers that your child never falls through a glass
> door and you have to call 111.

"Oh, won't someone please think of the children".  Children will fall 
through glass doors regardless of the rate of uptake of VOIP.  The solution 
to this problem is to replace the glass with safety glass.  Anyway, I don't 
have a child, but I could call 111 on my mobile if my VOIP fails.

> Btw skype may be popular but has serious privacy issues, though I can't
> remember where the link is listing it up in detail.

...and a regular phone line is private how?

> Getting rid of your pots and only keeping adsl is a moot point anyway,
> as telescum will make damn sure you can't.

I don't have a Telecom line.  Telstra will sell me a cable connection and 
no phone.

I think there is a problem of confusing the medium with the message.  
Practically there is no difference between using a VOIP phone and a POTS 
phone.  Only the underlying mechanism differs.

Andy











































































































































































































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