On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 10:03, Nick Rout wrote: > is one error an appalling level of documentation? No, it merely demonstrates that only the Deities are perfect, a fact which we have all known for hundreds of years.
> I think the documentation does a good job of explaining what needs to be > done, and why, and how to. Like all writing of any consequence, the Gentoo documentation has to be interpreted intelligently and not necessarily followed word for word with fundamentalist fanaticism. > On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 09:50:59 +1300 (NZDT) > > Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > <rant> > > Given that there will be (at least) a large minority of people who want > > to try something a bit more hardcore, and upgrade from ubuntu or similar, > > then the apalling ( sic ) > > level of documentation that comes along with gentoo > > will probably put them off for life. The bug has been found and > > documented, so why is page 6 not reflecting the change? Because far too many folks get into rant mode on mailing lists and irc channels instead of calmly submitting a bug report on http://bugzilla.gentoo.org > > Is it a rite of passage, like learning all the switches to cpio? Yes. A successful Gentoo install actually deserves a NCEA certificate. Note that my comments are also within the <rant> tags. > > </rant> > > > > Come back debian, all is forgiven (: > > > > Steve > > > > On Tue, February 8, 2005 9:31 am, Nick Rout said: > > > Here is a description of the ipv6 problem i mentioned earlier: > > > > > > This is copied from a message on the gentoo-user list on 19 January. > > > > > > Personally I never use mirrorselect as there are no official mirrors in > > > nz and jetstreamgames does me nicely. > > > > > > Also remember that you can do an install from the sources on the > > > universal livecd, or the binaries on the packages cd. > > > > > > cheers. > > > > > > "The sequence of steps given in... > > > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?full=1#book_part > > >1_chap6 appears to be causing problems, according to traffic on the > > > Gentoo users mailing list. Here is my diagnosis of what is going > > > wrong. > > > > > > The current sequence in Chapter 6a is... > > > - first run mirrorselect > > > - then chroot > > > > > > The current LiveCD appears to have IPV6 networking enabled. > > > Paradoxically, it is causing problems for users whose ISPs support > > > IPV6, or at least IPV6 tunneling over IPV4. Here is the situation in > > > detail > > > > > > - mirrorselect tries a whole bunch of mirrors, including several > > > IPV6-only mirrors > > > > > > - If your ISP *DOES NOT* support IPV6 (including IPV6 tunneling) > > > things work OK. Attempting to contact the IPV6-only mirrors fails, > > > and mirrorselect picks a bunch of IPV4-accessable mirrors, and > > > things work OK. > > > > > > - If your ISP *DOES* support IPV6 (or at least IPV6 tunneling), you > > > run into problems. Since hardly anyone is on IPV6, the IPV6-only > > > mirrors have a lot less traffic, and are much more responsive to > > > download requests. So mirrorselect's speed-tests will always > > > favour the IPV6-only sites, and put them in your MIRRORS variable. > > > > > > Apparently, while the LiveCD has IPV6-enabled networking, the > > > chrooted environment is IPV4-only. After chrooting, you have IPV4-only > > > networking software trying to contact IPV6-only servers... oops. This > > > is consistent with the problems reported on the mailing list, by *SOME* > > > people (i.e. those whose ISP supports IPV6 in some manner). > > > > > > The solution to this problem is quite simple... > > > - first chroot > > > - then run mirrorselect > > > > > > This will cause mirrorselect to choose only servers that can be > > > accessed from the chrooted environment. Today, this will result in > > > mirrorselect only picking IPV4-accessable mirrors. Somewhere down the > > > road, if/when the Gentoo install puts IPV6 networking into the chrooted > > > environment, then mirrorselect will pick up IPV6 mirrors." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:55:31 +1300 (NZDT) > > > > > > Steve Holdoway <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> Thanks Nick, > > >> > > >> Maybe now I'll break the 24 hour barrier for a single install (: > > >> > > >> Cheers, > > >> > > >> Steve > > >> > > >> On Tue, February 8, 2005 8:40 am, Nick Rout said: > > >> > On Tue, 2005-02-08 at 08:04 +1300, Steve Holdoway wrote: > > >> >> So, using the mirrorselect command to create myself a list of the 4 > > >> > > >> most > > >> > > >> >> useful sources gives me three that are uncontactable, and one in > > >> > > >> poland > > >> > > >> >> with no current sources on. > > >> >> > > >> >> Can anyone suggest some useful sources so I can get this thing off > > >> > > >> the > > >> > > >> >> ground? > > >> > > > >> > /etc/make.conf > > >> > > > >> > GENTOO_MIRRORS="http://linux.jetstreamgames.co.nz/gentoo"; > > >> > > > >> > mirrorselect does not work well round this backwater of the > > >> > internet, and it also has problems getting confused about ipv6 > > >> > mirrors. > > >> > > > >> >> Cheers, > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> Steve > > >> > > > >> > -- > > >> > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. > > > > > > -- > > > Nick Rout <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > -- > > Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity. -- Sincerely etc., Christopher Sawtell
