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> I am damn pleased I got jetstream and/or leave it to ipcop's setup -
> modems have always been a pain (for me) under linux, easy once you have
> it going, hard otherwise. I printed out and read screeds and screeds on
> it over 5 years ago.

Okay, setting up the other modem at a friend's house was absurdly easy.  I 
had installed Debian 3.0 r0 a while back.  Since then they had not been 
connected to the internet.

I turned up with a modem, plugged it in and did the following:

1) apt-get kppp (had the full Debian CD set)
2) add user to 'dip' and 'dialout' groups
3) made link for /dev/modem to /dev/ttyS0
4) removed "auth" from /etc/ppp/options
5) logged into KDE as user and ran kppp (K | Internet | Internet dialer)
6) Entered phone number for ISP, username and password

That's it!

I noted the permissions of kppp and pppd before I did anything, they were 
both -rwsr-xr-- root dip, so that is a good reference. (I might de-install 
and re-install kppp to see if the default permissions are the same on r4)

All in all it was absurdly easy, but only because I had spent so long 
fiddling on another system.

> with debian pon/poff has been the traditional way. wvdial is also a very
> very good program. its a shame kppp doesn't have the ability to run
> arbitrary commands to log in. the gnome "modem lights" panel applet does
> have that ability. I do not know what else in gnome it relies on, or if
> it is separately installable, or if it "fits in" to kde in any way.
> YMMV, no warranty, return to base in timbuctu for servicing/repair/no
> liability accepted/the home brew was liberated!

So "free as in beer" is a viable proposition?

Andy

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