On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 03:13:15PM +1300, Jim Cheetham wrote:
> >warty and hoary are just different collections of debian packages, just
> >as woody, sarge and sid are. all of those are in a different state of
> >flux, and normaly you should not mix them.
> All the packages in ubuntu/*/main are recompiled, and are not Debian
> project packages (although they are .deb files)
yes, but all the packages in sarge are recompiled and not woody packages
either. (even if they would be otherwise identical (some packages are
that old and have not changed since))
each of woody, sarge, warty and hoary represent a different snapshot of
the debian universe. the changes from warty to sarge are of the same
quality as the changes from sarge to woody. they are changes, and of
course the reason why you should not mix them. but they do not make
ubunto packages any less debian than woody or sarge or other.
the only difference is who built the packages and asserts for their
quality. in case of woody or sarge that's the debian team, in case of
warty or hoary that's ubuntu but then, a lot of ubuntu people are debian
developers.
> Basically, Ubuntu officially claim that they *can* issue a package with
> an identical name to a Debian package, but one that differs.
that would just be like a debian package built for woody vss. the same
package built for sarge. now yet again the same package built for warty
or hoary.
> They are not interested in supporting a setup with mixed repositories.
of course not. debian does not support mixing woody and sarge either.
you are on your own every time you mix stuff...
> Also, because of these changes, and because of the versions of packages
> that are selected, and the amount of love and attention that Ubuntu
> provides, it is no longer really fair to say "Ubuntu is a Debian
> distribution". It's not.
i'd like to disagree with that.
especially it does not do justice to the amount of care and atention
that debian developers bring in to make a stable system which then lasts
for 3 years.
ubuntu is a team working on debian, warty and hoary are debian releases.
that's how i see it, and thats how i hope it is and will remain to be.
> Ubuntu is a distribution that tracks the
> versions used in Debian, and it submits patchs back into Debian, but
> there is no automatic acceptance of these. Over time, the two distros
> will diverge quite significantly.
i sure hope they do not diverge. and my understanding (from the very few
bits i have read) is that they do not intent to diverge.
btw: just yesterday i upgraded an (a few months old) sarge machine to
warty. worked fine except for a few minor conflicts.
i intend to do the same to my notebook running woody next.
greetings, martin.
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