John Carter wrote:

On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Nick Rout wrote:

<tongue in cheek>
<sly question>My question is this .... what failed? The internet or your
node on the internet? </sly question>
If the answer is your node on the internet then what are you doing to
continue to allow your node to be a productive part of the internet and
allow arpnet like ability to failover?
</ tongue in cheek>


The economic system that encourages service providers to compete in a manner detrimental to their customers.

but it seems that both the ISP's and telecom are putting an awful lot of
eggs going into an awfully small number of baskets!


What happens if a landslip closes the road/rail system just this side of Kaikoura?

Partly our problem is we live on a long thin mountainous pimple on the great rounded bum of the earth.

Not exactly a great nexus of connectivity.

But then I really do love the Alps and the sea, so I'm not complaining.


John Carter                             Phone : (64)(3) 358 6639

I agree about the economic systems . I think that Singapores approach, as totalitarian as it is in some ways, offes some real hope. Capitalism is just greed dressed up in fancy clothes and is an extention of Darwins survival of the fittest with the lions eating everything else that moves or looks like growing to be as big as they are. A nation is judged on its treatment of the poor, the helpless and its children. BTW did you know USA has more child prostitutes than most other countries except Thailand and a couple of other notible exceptions? (WHO stats)

Back on the topic of land slips, ISP failures ...
Telecom is acting negligently in all its activites and responsibilites as a service provider and national carrier for telecommunications in NZ. The Govt stated that it would not and has not sold off any assets which are vital to national security (ie ports, power, rail, airrports, airwaves, telecom, are not necessary to our national security.) . However the reality is they have.

Telecom is a private business with a Govt granted monopoly. It is given Govt license to hold the keys to he kingdom (copper) but because it is a business it does not invest in the equipment redundancy we need as a nation in order to provide un-interupted serivce of communications. This would reduce its huge profits. In short it is the only player and can afford to screw us all as we have no choice.

Telecom does have options it hasn't exercised. We should have line of sight, satellite bandwidth, redudent cabling, redundant routers, fail over servers, co-location ... all in place. This would ensure we continue to have at leat the basic services in place even if there is a landslide at Kaikoura or if the N Island moves three metres away from the S Island.

This year we lost all connectivity in the South Island, we lost all connectivty in Chch, we lost ADSL for 4000 users in Chch, we had a hacker break into their phone systems and now we lost the entire backbone. The loss of S Island and Chch connectivity is related to the fact that we don't rate highly enough for them to have put in a second 100k router in place. This not only affects xtra users but Telstra, IHug, Snap ...

Things wont change unless we change it. As it is an election year now would be a good time to put in place a public campaign of embarrassment in order to effect change. It is the only way the depots in the Beehive will ever listen cause after the election we will have to suffer through another three years of being ignored again.

Any takers to help organise a letter, partition...?

I would suggest that the line to take is a list of the failures we have had this year, with a summation of causes, possible fixes and the costs of fixing the problem verses the cost to business and lost revenue, not to mention the danger to life and limb caused by loss og 111 centres in Auckland.

Shane






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