Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
On Thu 15 Feb 2007 00:46:01 NZDT +1300, Rik Tindall wrote:
Seems to me, if you really want to teach GNU/Linux,
Then I would teach how to use software, and Linux software that would
be. Later on I would mention the open source model but not excessively.
In any case I would make sure not to include political cr*p like the
GNU/ in front of Linux and other likewise things. If you like to do
that, please open your own GNU/Politico website, mailing list and
teaching classes.
Done.
then you start with BSD - in the classroom, that is.
And a swimmingly good tutorial it was too, thanks very much Andrew
Turner ['clug' 10/4/7].
Four things were noticeably absent, however:
0) A single peep out of Herr Kuhlmann.
1) A single reference to anything called "Linux"; "Unix" was prominent.
2) Messrs Rout, on the night, and Sawtell, once KDE didn't feature (the
major influences on our local comp.society).
3) Package searches lacking frequent "GNU" references. [!]
Thus, since our tradition is so strong on genetic divergence, and
survival of the fittest (thru fork & contest), can we now consider this:
The club built off the "University of Canterbury Linux Users" list
requires its own, fully appropriate, name. The "CLU" group is wider than
the initiator, including more diverse O/S community, so owes both a step
closer to integrity, by renaming now to either:
a) Canterbury GNU/Linux Users Group; or
b) Canterbury Unix Users Group.
Because we've already heard the copious angst over 'a' (merit-worthy or
otherwise), and given the 10/4/7 evidence, it seems we must opt (and so
I move) for 'b' - CUUG.
Do we have a seconder please?
Please let me know beforehand, so I get time enough to warn all my
acquaintances not to bother.
New people are either interested in server/admin type stuff, in which
case they have a clue already, or they are desktop users, in which case
BSD is useless.
Now proven wrong, for 17 attendees at least.
(No newbies present this time.)
..A talk on what BSD
does for me on the desktop is not of much use either as far as I can
see, because I see already that all my applications which I need to get
semi-professsional work done on Linux aren't on BSD which ticks off BSD
for the bin at that point, and I don't think you'd be the right
presenter for that Rik because I'd want to see applications, not
politics. You've made clear now that you're only interested in politics.
I am not, and I don't think many others here are either. End of story
from me.
Partly right. There's a 'Linux mafia' uninterested in integrity, which
does disservice to Unix-like education, it would seem. Let us begin to
get past that..
As for desktop app instruction (O/S complexities largely aside) new
users will enjoy the South Chch Library session 7.30pm tonight (use rear
door, 66 Colombo St). C U there.
I am looking forward to the upcoming presentation on BSD at the root
user level, because it helps me admin a BSD box on the server level. It
would be stellarly useful if it was aimed at users who can already run a
Linux command line.
That it was, and for the better, for this evolving User Group.
Extra:
"Comparing GNU/Linux and FreeBSD: The real winner is the community"
http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/comparing_linux_and_freebsd
cheers
--
Rik
