On Sun, 13 May 2007 22:31:18 +1200
Matthew Gregan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 2007-05-13T14:22:33+1200, Steve Holdoway wrote:
> 
> > up until now, I've been using one of my screens through a kvm switch,
> > necessitating its use via analog video. Now, I'm ditching the kvm, and
> > have connected both monitors digitally. Here's where the problems are
> > starting. The right one just won't sync, and keeps blanking out.
> 
> > Monitors are both Viewsonic vg2021m, and the card is a trusty nvidia
> > GeForce GE 5200 with 128MB.
> 
> Just so I'm sure I understand your problem, you're getting the expected
> display on each monitor, but one of them periodically blanks out for a few
> seconds and then comes back?
Exactly
> 
> The DVI electronics on that card probably won't be able to drive two DVI
> ports at the kind of resolution you're asking for.  At a lower resolution
> you wouldn't have any trouble.
> 
> I've seen similar problems with 5700 Ultras and 6800 Ultras.  I had some
> luck with using extremely short DVI-D cables and tweaking the refresh rate
> down to ~50Hz to get a stable display in one case.
> 
> NVIDIA's DVI implementation has been truly awful until pretty recently.  The
> 7xxx and upwards cards are decent, though.
> 
> Your choices are: buy a better card, or use VGA for one of the two monitors.
> You'll have to experiment to work out which DVI link is the weaker one.
> From memory, it's the 'external' one that is the problem... see below.
> 
> > (II) NVIDIA(0): NVIDIA GPU GeForce FX 5200 at PCI:3:0:0 (GPU-0)
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): Memory: 131072 kBytes
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 04.34.20.16.00
> > (II) NVIDIA(0): Detected AGP rate: 8X
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): Interlaced video modes are supported on this GPU
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): Connected display device(s) on GeForce FX 5200 at PCI:3:0:0:
> > (--) NVIDIA(0):     ViewSonic VG2021m (DFP-0)
> > (--) NVIDIA(0):     ViewSonic VG2021m (DFP-1)
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VG2021m (DFP-0): 135.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VG2021m (DFP-0): Internal Dual Link TMDS
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VG2021m (DFP-1): 165.0 MHz maximum pixel clock
> > (--) NVIDIA(0): ViewSonic VG2021m (DFP-1): External Single Link TMDS
> > (II) NVIDIA(0): Assigned Display Devices: DFP-0, DFP-1
> > (II) NVIDIA(0): Validated modes:
> > (II) NVIDIA(0):     "1400x1050,1400x1050"
> > (II) NVIDIA(0): Virtual screen size determined to be 2800 x 1050
> > 
> > Has detected the right monitor as being completely different to the left 
> > one!
> 
> 165MHz is the maximum clock frequency for single link DVI.  It turns out
> that you can drive LCD panels at high resolutions and refresh rates by going
> a little out of spec and running in 'reduced blanking' mode, which is
> 135MHz.  Problem is, the older NVIDIA cards can't really drive the link at
> 165MHz reliably, despite what they advertise (there's probably a class
> action waiting there for some keen party).
> 
> The card have one internal TMDS and another add-on TMDS part (which is
> separate chip, newer ones are usually both internal).  This is the internal
> vs external TMDS listed in the log output above.  Only the internal TMDS
> supports the sort of configuration that will allow it to run in the 135MHz
> 'reduced blanking' mode.
> 
> Work out which of the two DVI ports is associated with the external TMDS and
> try running the monitor connected to that port via VGA instead.
> 
> Cheers,
> -mjg
> -- 
> Matthew Gregan                     |/
>                                   /|                    [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks for the input, now I know what I suspected was the problem is the 
reality. I know it's an old card, and a fairly old and slow machine, but it's a 
shuttle and I really like it. Maybe shelling out for a newer agp graphics card 
may be worth it. I'll see what trademe has to offer.  My sound card ( a 
soundblaster! ) has just failed as well, which is annoying. 

Still it's been on for 3 years now, so I shouldn't complain if it starts 
getting a bit flaky - they do put out some heat.

Cheers,

Steve

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