snipped Collins wrote:
> [ snips ] > > On Sat, 13 Apr 2002 11:57:01 -0500 "Brett I. Holcomb" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> Collins wrote: >> >> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 23:09:05 -0700 "Philip J. Koenig" >> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:> On 12 Apr 2002, at 23:02, Brett I. >> > Holcomb boldly uttered: > > > Open Souce software is a very different animal than most commercial > products (not M$, of course, just try getting an M$ bug fixed in any > release!) especially on linux. The supporting software (be it gtk for > gnome or qt for kde or any of the imaging software or the print > control software or X) is a series of amorphous, uncontrolled blobs > that don't talk to one another when the specs change, and they do > change frequently. But the point is that I did try current software and got told you'll have to wait months cause we aren't interested in fixing problems in the release so why should I spend hours testing it. That's no different than MS. OpenSource want's to be an alternative to MS yet the issues in the released version aren't addressed. I can't have that in a business and again many people don't have the time or expertise to do all that we do to make it work. I fully understand the advantages and problems with Open Source and software created by organizations of volunteers but we can't have it both ways - "it's done by volunteers so you take what you get" and "We are an alternative". An alternative is more than software - it includes support. For home I use Linux exclusively but for work I can't recommend Linux at this point much as I'd like to. > > kde3, IMHO, is more like version 1.0 of a commercial software product. > kde1 and 2 were more like extended beta versions. kde have almost > got the interfaces right now, so I would expect the developers to be > more responsive in the future > The other problem here is sheer size (others call it bloat). You get > much better response from smaller organizations like xfce. kde has so > many irons in the fire that just keeping all the irons warm is a > problem. I'm sure the same can be said for gnome. Again, if OS is to be an alternative we need a better system. I have no problem at home working with it and if I were starting from scratch I would probably go Linux with OpenSource. But when I have a organization deeply entrenched with MS points like this will kill Linux - yes they pay for MS support and the products and pay a lot but they get support. >> >> Another, more critical problem is/was printing from KDE. Print from >> browser or Kmail and the bottom line is cut in half (you get the top >> half of the letters) and then reprinted on the top of the next page. >> > > Well, they appear to have fixed half of the problem. The bottom line > is still chopped, but the top of the next page is clean. <grin> > >> >> >> I realize the OSS purists yell four-letter words at the thought, >> >> but you should also consider Opera. >> I tried Opera on Windows a long time ago but haven't since I went to >> Linux - I thought Konq would work <G>. What makes Opera so >> appealing? > > For my part, the tabbed windows interface, the same thing I liked in > Mozilla and Galeon. Also the overall format of the Opera main window > is very usable. Also, it was a lot peppier than the earlier Mozilla > cuts and the konqueror prior to kde3, especially on a 300MZ machine. > > I'll drop out of this now. We're not going to fix everything kde in > this discussion. > -- Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] AKA Grunt <>< Registered Linux User #188143 Remove R777 to email _______________________________________________ Linux-users mailing list - http://linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users Subscribe/Unsubscribe info, Archives,and Digests are located at the above URL.
