On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:09:12 -0800
Bill Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:02:50AM -0500, dep wrote:
> >begin Collins Richey's quote:
> >
> >| They've finally caught up with gentoo <grin>
> >
> >they're a pain in the ass, but they're not *that* bad.
>
> I haven't tried gentoo, LFS, or any of the other do-it-yourself forms of
> Linux, primarily because I would rather spend my time building things on
> top of a working distribution. It's enough of a problem keeping up with
> new releases of software, and still have time for development and
> support of our own stuff.
But that is exactly what gentoo is! It is very stable. Packages are deemed
stable or experimental by the package author, the person who makes the
ebuild for gentoo, and the gentoo user community.
If I want to know what the new releases of software for gentoo are, I
simple run (internet connection required for all this):
ebuild rsync
I now have all the package definitions on my system. Nothing is installed,
but I can easily identify what I could install or update. Either via a
character interface or a KDE GUI.
If I want to know if there are new versions of the packages I already have
installed, I run:
ebuild -up world
'world' refers to the packages I have installed. If there is something
new, this tells me. If I want to update something, I would run:
ebuild -u package
Where package is something, like cdrtools. Or kde. Or a linux kernel. All
dependencies are checked by ebuild so that the package's configure script
can be run to the best possible effect. And this is important. Gentoo dos
not replace a package's configure script. It just helps ensure you have
the best things in place and identified so the configure goes well.
What I really like about gentoo is that, once installed, the procedure
described above keeps my system up-to-date. I do NOT reinstall gentoo to
get the latest release. My system just stays current via the ebuild
mechanism.
As to the rest of your e-mail, gentoo is not a business proposition. It is
simply a way to break the reinstall cycle into small increments that can
easily be managed over time. And it does this well.
> I chose to become a Caldera reseller when they first started their
> reseller program for the same reason we became SCO resellers in 1987, we
> need a stable platform for commercial systems. We have always purchased
> boxed sets for all our our customer installations to support the Linux
> distributions and kept copies on hand for sale to local people (and I
> have a pile of unsold Caldera OpenLinux 1.1->2.3 to prove it :-).
>
> We don't make any money selling Linux itself so we now buy SuSE from our
> local CompUSA store rather than go through distribution, and make sure
> that our business sales rep. at CompUSA is aware of this in hopes that
> this encourages them to continue to keep it in stock as an alternative
> to Red Hat. I want to be able to tell people that they can go to the
> local store to buy stable Linux rather than having to buy it on-line,
> download ISOs, or built it themselves. At one time CompUSA had Caldera,
> Mandrake, in addition to SuSE and Red Hat. Mandrake disappeared from
> their shelves several months ago.
>
> Frankly, the only way I can see any commerical Linux distribution
> company making a living selling Linux will be to market direct through
> web sites delivering product directly to the final installer eliminating
> intermediate distributors. Desktop Linux just can't be sold for enough
> to cover the costs of the traditional distribution channels (as a rule
> of thumb, the manufacturing cost of any product sold through these
> channels is about 20% of the final sale price).
This is how I have bought OpenLinux. Caldera's web site. I fear this did
not help them.
> As someone who has made my living by providing IT solutions to
> commercial customers since 1966, and mission-critical Linux solutions
> since 1997, my main contribution to supporting Linux has been to provide
> bug reports, and fixes back to the source where possible (Caldera was
> pretty good at ignore my reports and patches though :-).
>
> The first time I can remember fixing a program for a vendor was about
> 1972 when I rewrote a major chunk of the RJE handler for Burroughs
> Medium Systems, and patched MCP giving the changes back to Burroughs.
> At the time I did this because the company I worked for needed to get
> RJE working, and it wasn't a priority for Burroughs. One of the primary
> reasons I like Linux and FreeBSD is that this type of thing is a lot
> easier to do than to convince a proprietary vendor to make their source
> code available to outsiders to fix. Open Source works because there are
> thousands of knowledgeable people working on problems that they need to
> have work, feeding their results back into the system.
>
> Bill
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