I created a group using groupadd, then used gpasswd to add a group administrator and two other group members. However, I could not use gpasswd to remove the group administrator from the group because the administrator was not added as a group member. Is this a bug or a feature? To recreate on RH 7.2 beta, a/k/a Roswell 2 (YMMV on other distros): # groupadd admins # gpasswd -A marysue -M joebob,bubba admins # grep admins /etc/group /etc/gshadow /etc/group:admins:x:505:joebob,bubba /etc/gshadow:admins:!:marysue:joebob,bubba Note that marysue is not shown as a group member in /etc/group or in /etc/gshadow. # gpasswd -d marysue Removing user marysue from group admins gpasswd: unknown member marysue So, is a group administrator *not* also by definition a group member? It appears not, to wit: # gpasswd -M marysue # grep admins /etc/group /etc/gshadow /etc/group:admins:x:505:joebob,bubba,marysue /etc/gshadow:admins:!:marysue:joebob,bubba,marysue # gpasswd -d marysue Removing user marysue from group admins # grep admins /etc/group /etc/gshadow /etc/group:admins:x:505:joebob,bubba /etc/gshadow:admins:!:marysue:joebob,bubba Strange. Or, at least, unexpected. I would have supposed that a group administrator would also be a group member. Anyone? Kurt -- Virtue would go far if vanity did not keep it company. -- La Rochefoucauld _______________________________________________ http://linux.nf -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives, Subscribe, Unsubscribe, Digest, Etc ->http://linux.nf/mailman/listinfo/linux-users