Hi Ben,

Just a quick reaction:

I guess the choice should mainly depend on the mean airtime to transmit a 
frame, not on the final throughput, since it is a shared half-duplex media?

Retransmission is fine up to the point it does not take more airtime than a 
lower MCS?

Jean-Pierre

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> Ben Greear
> Envoyé : samedi 20 octobre 2018 20:57
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> Objet : Re: Rate-ctrl experience gained with ath10k
> 
> I now have the 9984 ath10k working pretty good I think, at least as far as
> rate-ctrl is going.  It tries to keep retransmit < 10% and throughput is
> fine compared to using MCS with higher retransmit (and higher encoding rates).
> 
> But, I tried to put similar changes (dodge high retransmit MCS if possible),
> and for the wave-1 9880 chip, this decreased throughput.
> 
> For instance, current rate-ctrl was retransmitting about 30% of the frames
> when allowed to choose its MCS.  In this case, I saw around 225-230Mbps 
> throughput.
> 
> But, if I forced it down to MCS-5, 3x3, then throughput was about 220Mbps, and
> retry percent was closer to 2%.
> 
> So, question is...should I still tweak its ratectrl to choose lower MCS when
> retransmit % is high, or should I just let it retransmit.  Maybe lower MCS 
> and lower
> retransmit would be better over-all if there are lots of devices on the 
> network?
> 
> I'll run some tests to experiment with that when I have time, but curious if 
> others
> have already done similar...
> 
> Thanks,
> Ben
> 
> 
> On 10/16/2018 04:31 PM, Ben Greear wrote:
> > So, I've been trying to understand why the ath10k-rate ctrl was acting
> > so poorly in my 20-station UDP tx case.  I wrote that wifi-diag tool,
> > and it gave some clues, but only in retrospect were they obvious :)
> >
> > The problem in general was that a single station could upload, at say 
> > 500Mbps,
> > but 20 stations could only do about 325Mbps.  If we fixed the MCS at 3x3 
> > MCS7,
> > then the 20 station upload test ran about 490Mbps.
> >
> > There were several optimizations I made in the ath10k firmware rate-ctrl.  
> > One
> > was to penalize rates with higher PER (packet error rate) more than the old 
> > algorithm did.  This
> helped
> > a small bit, but not enough (around 350-370Mbps total throughput).
> >
> > Then, after adding logs I noticed that each station was probing once about 
> > every 5 ampdu
> > chains, or almost 20% of the time!  These probe AMPDUs are limited to a max 
> > of 4 AMSDUs,
> > and that explains why my 'bad' case showed 17% of the AMPDU chains were 4 
> > in length in
> > my wifi-diag output.
> >
> > I changed the firmware to take number of active stations into account, and 
> > increase the
> > 75ms probe interval by up to a factor of 5.  I also probe less often when 
> > the probed
> > rate has PER > 5 or the last probe had a dropped frame.
> >
> > And, I allow probing with AMPDU chains of up to 16 AMSDU instead of just 4.
> >
> > Together this gets me up to about 460Mbps in this test case.   Still not 
> > quite as good
> > as fixing the MCS at 7, but good enough I think.
> >
> > Here's hoping this email will let other folks poking at rate-ctrl have a 
> > faster
> > time at fixing things than I did.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Ben
> >
> 
> 
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> Ben Greear <[email protected]>
> Candela Technologies Inc  http://www.candelatech.com

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