Hi... I've been lurking around OCLUG for .... a while... I will offer my 2 cents regarding privacy/phones/etc. I'm a medium to hard core techie and the following opinions are not only mine, but reflect some of my comrades on slashdot and my immediate circle of technology gurus. YMMV.

Since everybody on this thread already has sturdy tinfoil hats, I'll gloss over the preliminaries.

1. SERVER. ALL services are only as good as how much you trust them. How do you think NordVPN and the rest make their money? Do the VPN services REALLY not keep logs? Trust of internet services is like religion. There's a lot of faith required.

Therefore, If you are not running your own backend services, you really cannot say with certainty how private and secure your data is.

2. CLIENT/APPS. If you want privacy, you CANNOT use apple, facebook, google, amazon, microsoft, .. they are all raping you of your data, I don't know which one is the worst. Read "The Age of Surveillance Capitalism" by Shoshana Zuboff.

2. BLINGINESS. Having privacy and security means you will not be running the latest shiny object.

If you think you can have privacy and still use Google, Microsoft, etc, stop reading now.


What I recommend, and what I do:

Summary: setup your own client server infrastructure with all opensource software. Linux, Android, Nextcloud.

Ask your friends or look in your second desk drawer where you put all your old phones and get an older Android phone for free. Burn a custom rom like AEX, LineageOS. Install MicroG which is an opensource GAPPs replacement. (provides GPS services)

Commission NextCloud on a cheap VPS. Get your restricted set of apps from APKmirror.com or APKPure.com, etc. and upload them to your cloud storage. Install apps directly from your own repository.

Configure your client phone to talk to your services.

DONE.


Most people hate this because 1. you are not stylish, 2. you can't communicate with your friends on social media, 3. Your phone doesn't look the same as it did when you ran vanilla commercial offerings, whatever bundles you get from Bell, Rogers, etc.

You can't have your cake and eat it too, as they say. If you use Facebook, Google, Amazon, Microsoft.... and every other commercial service available... then you will not have privacy. That is a fact of life.


Me? I don't live under a rock. I have social media accounts, etc. I read other sysops and so on, and Snowden summarized what we are thinking: You cannot fully escape online surveillance if you are a participant in modern society. The answer is to think in terms of "personas". Get a second phone. One phone is the private and secure one, for you to do your nefarious things on. The second one is your public persona for you to make a fool of yourself online.


If anybody cares to pursue this, I might be persuaded to offer more specs. Also, Ha ha, what a surprise... I might also be persuaded to set this up for you as a service.


Franz.




On 1/27/21 8:50 AM, [email protected] wrote:

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On 2021-01-26 18:58, Kevin Szabo wrote:

I just found one of the replies to this thread was marked as spam.  Dunno why
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On Sat, Jan 23, 2021 at 9:54 AM James Lockie <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    $799 USD for the base phoe
    No wireless AC. :-(
    On January 23, 2021 00:06:57 "Brenda J. Butler" <[email protected]
    <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

            Hello Linux hive-mind -
            Anyone out there in Linux-land with experience they are
            willing to share
            using a cell phone with good privacy that doesn't track you?

        This request eventually reminded me about the Purism phone:
        https://puri.sm/
        which purports to be a ground-up phone OS designed for privacy.
        I have not bought it but maybe I should.
        I was under the impression that the person who started the
        company was in Toronto but they are based in the States now.
        But that is a vague memory and may be entirely false.
        They don't have social media icons.  Their web page (front page)
        is served from one server (impressive!).  They have a warrant
        canary page and two people gpg-sign a message for that page on
        a monthly basis.
        Looks legit.
        I'm guessing they are expensive as they are not subsidized
        by Big Tech.  Haven't seen prices yet.
        bjb
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