Since when is it impolite to say when somebody is being rude when they are. I don't think stereotypes are helpful. I speak my mind and have always done so.
I did not call you any names of use offensive language. My response to which you replied and I responded to you was not aimed at you or any individual. It was aimed at Debian and the community which you have proved by your behaviour to be what I said it was. I need not offer any evidence thanks to you. I have used Debian lots over many years. I have blogged and responded to many blogs about Linux. My complaints against Debian are founded on my own experiences. My complaints against the Debian community are based on my own experience in the forums and on observing how others have been treated. I also have seen how Debian users have a hate on for Ubuntu and look for any excuse to rag on people who use it or people who blog about it. I have used hundreds of distributions over the years and belonged to many communities and Debian stands apart from all. There is only one other community that for a time was like that, PCLOS, whose members took issue when Ubuntu passed it in Distrowatch and for two years they could not say anything nice about Ubuntu or Ubuntu users. I get it that people go after the from runner, but there are constructive ways to criticize and destructive. Destruvtive ends on hurting you more than what you are criticizing. My criticism of Debian is constructive whether you want to believe that or not. I want them to have some standards of good behaviour and show some discipline in the ranks. I want Debian as a distro to succeed. I think the way to do that is to make it more accessible. I think that they finally get that, but it may be years too late. Debian 6 looks good, but it still cannot go head to head with Ubuntu or even MEPIS in user friendliness. They made a few small concessions with that release and that is worth celebrating, but I could not recommend it to a new user on that basis. That was offset by removing the binary blobs in the kernel. You have to remember that new users choose Mint over Ubuntu because it has proprietary drivers and codecs pre-installed. This is an area to grow in but in order to win new Linux users over you need to go down a path that Debian has been unwilling to go down. Therefore the only way that Debian can grow is to raid the base of other distributions which is going to upset people in the other communities. Sending a new user to use Debian is like sending a toddler to swim in the shark tank. That is the biggest single problem with Debian in my opinion. That is not going to change until Debian users start resisting the temptation to stop telling other how to think, what to say and, most of all, stop using inflammatory language. Offering a rebuttal to what someone says is helpful to your distribution. Attacking the person who said it does not help, but actually hurts your distribution. Until Debian users get that then Debian is going to a lonely hearts club for geeks and hardcore FSF refugees and nothing else. Currently I have the following distributions installed on this computer, Kubuntu 10.10, Ubuntu 11.04, Arch, Fedora 12, SimplyMEPIS 8.5, Aptosid (my second favourite distro) and I also have Hackintosh OS/X. On my netbook I have Mint 10. I have recently run Fedora 14, Mandriva, PCLOS and openSuSE and am about to install Foresight and LMDE. Whenever I install something new something has to go and it is hard to decide because contrary to what you might think that I like lots about many distros. This began with someone having a problem and my saying that Debian is not known for its user friendliness (a fact) and that asking for help in the Debian community which was not open and friendly is tricky. Not only do you have to ask for help but you have to word it in a way that won't get to lambasted for asking. I have seen people called names for asking to install FF and not Ice Weasel. They have been lectured and some humiliated. I have been called not nice names for insisting on calling it Linux and not GNU/Linux. I am sure that you mean well, but our discussion here does nothing to resolve the problem and it further emphasizes problems in your community which you resent my calling attention to and to which you added an exclamation mark. Roy Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit Location: Canada On 13 February 2011 07:02, Paul <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > --- In [email protected], Roy <linuxcanuck@...> wrote: > > > > No need to be rude. I guess it goes with being a Debian user. You think > it > > gives you license to say things others don't. It is a poor substitute for > > having something useful to say. > > > > Roy > > > > Using Kubuntu 10.10, 64-bit > > Location: Canada > > No need but you'll anyways Roy. I can see the Canadian's reputation for > being polite is undeserved! > > Let me clear up some of your guessing for you Roy. Before I ran Debian I > ran Slackware 3.0-8.0, Redhat 7.0-8.0, Caldera 1.4, SuSE 8.0, Ubuntu > 9.1-10.10, some Mint and a little Arch as well. 16 years does give one a bit > of time to try a few things out. I do hope these hard facts are of some > limited use to you Roy. > > Now Roy care to explain what license you are operating with to post your > tripe? Anything useful would be greatly appreciated. > > Ever so politely yours, > Paul > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To unsubscribe from this list, please email [email protected] & you will be removed.Yahoo! 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