On Monday 06 February 2006 5:09 pm, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray wrote:
> >> I think Philip is raving mad! What prompted you to think that
> >> only meebo and not Yahoo!, Google or Microsoft will be having
> >> our IM passwords and sneaking into our privacy?
> >
> > To be able to authenticate to Yahoo!, you need to know a username
> > and password from that service. You are not supposed to share
> > that with anyone else.
> > Meebo is effectively able to MITM your IM conversations.
>
> But thats not the point. Yahoo! may very well read every e-mail IM
> that I have ever sent. Who told you that the Yahoo! guys ae
> absolute saints not prone to mischief. Its a matter of trust. If
> you trust Yahoo!, very well, go forward and use its services. If
> you trust meebo then go ahead. If you do not then, very well again.
> But do not spread your mistrust, until you have very sound reasons
> to back your claims.
>
> Can you prove how Yahoo! is more trustable than meebo?
>
> >> By the way I will greatly appreciate it if Philip is able to
> >> come up with a solution to IMing from behind a proxy.
> >
> > There is always Jabber. Plus, if you _do_ need IM from work, you
> > should be able to get a hole poked in the proxy. Alternatively,
> > you could always telecommute, or even get another job.
>
> Hahaha my dear friend, you have got it all wrong. I do not do a
> job, I study in an university where every other Windows IM client
> works. Yahoo! MEssenger, Google Talk, Rediff Bol, etc.. Therefore
> the university has no policy to block IM. But not a single UNIX
> based client works. Not even Gaim, Kopete, Yahoo! Messenger for
> UNIX. Needless to say that I have tried using Jabber on Gaim. The
> simple reason being that the Windows clients piggyback the IM
> packets on HTTP packets and use port 80 for their job, while the
> UNIX based ones do not. Hence the problem.
>
> Those who have attended Mark's talk on making GNU/Linux more
> desktop friendly, we have to work out solutions that work on
> Windoze and GNU/Linux equally well. 

Eh! I do not remember him saying anything like that. In fact what he 
said was forget about the windows user and focus on those who do not 
have a comp - they are the ones with potential. 

> So do not talk about stuff that 
> require obscure hacking to make them work. I do not have any
> problem with them, but laymen do have problems doing so!

That is why u have admins.

>
> For your kind information a lot of UNIX based utilities like CVS
> are very difficult to get to work from behind a proxy (in my case
> SQUID)!

Anything and everything is difficult to get working behind a proxy if 
u follow proper security procedures and if u have clueless admins.
And btw my cvs downloads work perfectly behind a proxy if that is what 
u are referring to.

> I expect an answer to my poblems...

Your pompous attitude is disgusting. If u so desperately want answers 
to your POBLEMS find them yourself or hire / cajole / beg someone to 
find them. If u find poblems between windows and linux interworking
sit down and write code / decode the protocols and pray u dont get 
shafted by M$ lawyers. U are as clueless as they come.

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jtd

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