On 2/7/06, Debarshi 'Rishi' Ray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[snip]
> do not spoil the fresh air. As one of the members have pointed out, I
> can do some hacking on Gaim by downloading its source code, etc.. I am
> already on my way my dear friend! And by the way I had tried
> contacting Google long time back but to no avail. I definitely find
> your patronosing attitude exteremely disgusting.

Some unsolicited advice about posting.
Rule # 1 for a mailing list: Be careful of what you say. What you say
is archived
and searchable. You may have to eat your words and whats worse that too in
public. The web have a way of outliving people.
Rule # 2 There is no Rule # 2. Read Rule #1 again.

> But do you realise
> that there are scores of people who do not give a damn about hacking
> Gaim, who would love to use GNU/Linux if only they had an easy way to
> solve some of their problems.

Linux is not for everyone. Computer are not specific purpose devices like
toasters or microwaves (Who am I kidding? Even these have become
increasingly complicated and ship with manuals. Anyways I digress).
A computer is not an appliance which when switched on does the work
you want. Learning about computers requires quite a bit of time and effort.
For information about programming I may point you to Peter Norvigs
excellent essay about programming. http://www.norvig.com/21-days.html
There will be times when any OS/App will not solve my problem. Eg.
No matter how hard I try I can never get some applications to work on
Windoze properly. Since I do not have the source I cannot tweak them.
Linux gives me that choice and I do it judiciously. If some people see this
as a problem there are other OSes which can give them better (hopefully)
solutions.

> Someone also pointed out that Mark had asked us to leave the WIndows
> users alone, and concentrate on new users. Interesting point, but can
> you tell me how you would keep the 'new' user 'glued' to GNU/Linux
> after they find that they can not use their favourite IM service from
> behind the proxy? Not everyone has the energy to scour the net and
> hack around to arrive at a solution. I have the time to do it, but
> hardly any one else has.

As I said Linux is not for everyone. Learning requires some effort. Besides
so many app don't work out-of-the-box even on windows. Also as someone
pointed out earlier this problem has already been solved. On Windoze,
a lot of time and effort is also spent on keeping malware out.

> So Mr. Philip, Mr. Joshi, and the others, if you can not stand some
> healthy tips, do not stand them, but do not spoil the atmosphere by
> your raves and rants!

Well I followed the thread and both of them have volunteered some
excellent information which you have probably did not care to read.
I haven't encountered this problem yet but now I can refer to the
earlier thread and get some useful pointers.

--> Vinayak H

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