> > Actually we need to broaden the definition of a computer here.
> > Here goes my latest example.
> > 
> Those are appliances. You can't run OOo on the vonage phone. You can't
> do general purpose computing stuff (aka run random applications) on that
> phone.
> 
probably I dont care to need to. 
Thats the whole point. 

Another good example would be the highly modified keyboards/terminals at POS
terminals. A computer without any ambiguity, but you probably wouldnt be able to
use it at home for OO or other things.

Remind me again, what are we arguing about?



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