Hi, I was extremely happy to read your e-mail, Philip. I concur with your statements.
My thoughts below: --- Philip Tellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In general, I've > seen more programmers > from China, Singapore, Hong Kong and Korea who are > keen on learning than > in India. I agree. You can also include Americans, Europeans, Russians and the Japanese. During my MS I have worked/done projects with students from different parts of the world, and I really found them all to be very, very, very hard-working. They also have their fun when they have to. > Indians seem to want people to tell them > what to do and > they'll gladly do it. This "need to be spoon-fed" culture comes from the current education system in most institutions. Some thoughts that I had written: http://shakthimaan.com/misc/to-students.html > Web standards, accessibility, new > trends are available > online for anyone to study and build prototypes. > Yet, I see more > people from the US and UK, I agree. >From all the colleges/universities that I have visited so far: * Out of say 40-60 students in a class, only 5-6 students are serious about "learning". * Most of the students waste their time with gossip, movies, sports and they live in their own "shell", without knowing the world around them. * Management themselves don't know about "quality" education/research and simply get an ISO standard because everyone has to. * Faculty are not motivated to contribute/learn for themselves or to help their students *learn*. * Some colleges motivate faculty to do a M.Tech. or PhD so they can show off that they have x number of PhDs, but, really don't contribute to the community or do research thereafter. * People are lazy and have a very "indifferent" attitude towards their own country. > and even Taiwan trying > these things out than > from India. Taiwan is a country that is a big player in VLSI fabrication, next to Japan, considering that even China doesn't have fabs. They, again, are very hardworking people. > In the UK, US and Korea, people > are so well versed > with the specs that they crack jokes about it in > pubs. Again, this has > to do with how keen people are to learn rather than > being told what to > do. I agree. They are self-motivated. > I'm not really interested in the reasons. I just > find that Indians in > general do not like to take the initiative. I agree. Its always, "Why do I care, why should I do it? Let him/her do it" attitude. > They're > very good at doing > what they're told to do as long as you don't tell > them to think. :) > So, to answer the question - people can't accept the > fact that an Indian > company is truly world class, because it isn't. Indeed. Most of the IT hype is probably just to keep the share-holders happy? One of my friends, Prof. Visweswaran, former Professor, Purdue University, West Lafayette campus, told me this: "If you take the complexity of problem solving in a scale of 0.0 - 10.0, then: < 1.0 = Service industry (majority in India) 3.0 = Simulation of an aeroplane projectile 5.0 = Embedded systems/VLSI 8.0 = Simulation of a nuclear fission reaction" So, if you see what most people do in India, the complexity of problem solving is nothing and doesn't require much thinking. > India, it's far more > likely to encounter a bad engineer than it is to > encounter a good one. I agree. I always explain the "indifferent" attitude amongst students in India in all my presentations/workshops, to show them what real "education" is in other countries, and why we are not in par with anyone else, and how we can use FLOSS to change all this. I don't know if we can change this in India, but, my efforts will continue ... SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
