----- Forwarded message from Russ Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- From: Russ Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:55:49 -0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid
Hi. Would you ensure that my email gets to the mailing list? Thank you. -russ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has > been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are > being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Received: from pdam.crynwr.com > ([192.203.178.8] helo=ns2.crynwr.com ident=qmailr) > by cc4.tifr.res.in with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FY7q1-00082w-Ke > for [email protected]; Tue, 25 Apr 2006 02:09:32 +0530 > Received: (qmail 1680 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: from rrcs-72-43-17-50.nys.biz.rr.com (HELO desk.crynwr.com) > (72.43.17.50) > by pdam.crynwr.com with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:20 -0000 > Received: (qmail 29917 invoked from network); 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: from unknown (HELO desk.crynwr.com) (127.0.0.1) > by localhost with SMTP; 24 Apr 2006 20:39:43 -0000 > Received: (from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > by desk.crynwr.com (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id k3OKdg1e029913; > Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > From: Russ Nelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 16:39:42 -0400 > To: "Nagarjuna G." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "GNU/Linux Users Group, Mumbai, India" <[email protected]> > In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > References: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > X-Mailer: VM 7.17 under 21.4 (patch 19) "Constant Variable" XEmacs Lucid > X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.203.178.8 > X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ILUG-BOM] FW: [OT] - OSS Philosophy Explained > X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.3 (2005-04-27) on cc4.tifr.res.in > X-Spam-Level: > X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham > version=3.0.3 > X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) > X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cc4.tifr.res.in) > > Hi. I'm Russell Nelson, a founding member of the OSI board of > directors. I travel to Mumbai from time to time, and I would be > extremely pleased to address you directly on this matter. Please tell > me when is the next Linux-centric conference in Mumbai, and I'll try > to wrangle my way there as a speaker. Hopefully they'll have fixed > the toy train up to Matheran by then. > > Nagarjuna: if you don't see this on the mailing list (because I'm not > subscribed to the list) please do me the courtesy of forwarding it to > the list. > > BCC'ed to the rest of the OSI board. > > Nagarjuna G. writes: > > This is a reply to the entire thread so far, so not quoting any of > > them. > > > > I wish to clarify the difference by example, between OSS and <free> > > (swatantra/mukta/ajadi) software. > > Alas, your example is incorrect. Pine isn't open source, as it > doesn't use an OSI-approved open source license. Neither is scilab. > They both claim that they are open source, but please .... if you want > Open Source Software, look for the OSI-Approved trademark. If you > don't see it, then you should assume that the software is not open source. > > You may take this to be a flaw of the term "Open Source", but do > please remember that Microsoft distributes free software. You know, > free as in Kingfisher. > > > Therefore, all <free> software is open source, but not vice versa. So, > > free software is a proper subset of open source software. > > Nope. The mapping of free software to open source software is one to > one and onto. > > > The use of the term 'open source' by the OSI may have created a nice > > term for the tongue, but at the cost of freedom. > > Please see my blog entry: > http://blog.russnelson.com/opensource/the-price-of-freedom.html > > Still warm off the presses -- I wrote it for you. Custom blogging, in > real time. > > > Still, it is surprising that OSI advocates seldom talk of the > > values like freedom. > > We don't, and we don't tell people why either. But I'll let you in on > the secret. Richard appeals to intellectuals by advocating for the > concept of freedom. Intellectuals constitute a minority, say 10% of > the population. We appeal to the majority by advocating for the value > of freedom. The other 90% of the population whom Richard cannot reach > will be convinced by the experience of freedom rather than the concept > of freedom. > > I want to be clear here: the 10% of the population who are > intellectuals (which I expect includes most members of glug-bom), are > MOST effectively reached by Richard's advocacy. We need him. We do > not dismiss him. He says that he doesn't need us, and he asks you to > dismiss us by claiming that freedom is not important to us. We prefer > to push the experience of freedom over the concept and term "freedom". > > Shuzan held out his short staff and said "If you call this a short > staff, you oppose its reality. If you do not call it a short staff, > you ignore the fact. Now, what do you wish to call it?" > > Experienced any freedom lately? > > -- > --my blog is at http://blog.russnelson.com | A computer without Python > is > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | like a CPU without memory: > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-323-1241 | it runs, but you can't do > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog | anything useful with it. > ----- End forwarded message ----- -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
