On 9/14/06, Dinesh Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi!
On 9/14/06, Devdas Bhagat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 15/09/06 20:14 +0530, Rony wrote:
> <snip>
> > Thats the purpose of this CIS system. It will not help us detect a
> > person's intentions but it will ensure that no faceless person simply
> > goes about conning people or walks into a public place, plants a bomb
>
Dinesh a humble request. Can you or someone summarize the discussion
so far ? Points that have been noted , concerns that have been
addressed, tasks that have been completetd ?
So that humans like me who find it diffficult to put all the pieces
together can also figure out wats happening and try to value add :)
HRB
> Those who would give up essential liberty ...
I think there is a great misconception between identity and privacy.
Establishing an identity does not necessarily lead to lose of privacy
or liberty.
> > and walks away or will keep changing ids after every crime. Knowledge of
> > a person's id acts as a natural control over behavior.
> >
> And there are perfectly good reasons for anonymous speech. Particularly
> when you want to criticise the government. I see absolutely no reason to
> trust a government which goes about banning blogs terming them
> "anti-national".
The anonymous speech can not and will not be stopped. Having an
identity does not mean that you can not have an anonymous or free
speech.
> Citizen Information System sounds like it provides information TO citizens.
> Instead, it provides information ABOUT citizens. Now, from when do we
> start wearing the star of david^W^W^Wthe cresent^W^W... ? (I lose here).
The 1st step has to be ABOUT the citizen which can lead to better
governance, security and services to TO the citizens.
> May I recommend Nineteen Eighty-Four? While you are at it, Brave New
> World, Farenheit 451, Animal Farm, Lord of the Flies, The rise and fall
> of the Third Reich are also good to read.
I would call it pure paranoia.
Since electricity gives a shock and it can be fatal one must not
generate or use electricity. :-)
Same arguments are given for nuclear, genetic and other technologies .
We must remember that technology per say is never evil. It is the
technology in the wrong hands which leads to disaster.
And I think you and many have great distrust in our government. But
remember that this is the government elected by you and me. :-) (It
does not matter whether you vote or not ;-))
> Devdas Bhagat
I hope a system developed under FOSS will have sufficient checks and
balances for providing freedom of speech and other constitutional
rights to the citizens.
With regards,
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