On 03/03/07 22:09 +0530, Raj Mathur wrote:
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> On Saturday 03 March 2007 18:10, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> > On 03-Mar-07, at 5:35 PM, quasi wrote:
> > > dig this.  I can do inaccurate pointer manipulation in C.  I can
> > > exceed array boundaries in C.  So  C sux right, by you logic ? 
> > > It is funny how "safe" stuff and crappy programmers somehow end
> > > up together.
> >
> > precisely my point. The vast majority of programmers in this
> > country are crappy programmers - maybe due to the education system

Minor correction here:
s/in this country//

Sturgeon's law applies to programmers as well.

> > or maybe due to the climate. So how do you get good code out of
> > them? certainly not by letting them loose to code in C or php (or

You don't. You replace them with good programmers.

> > java or perl, for that matter) - you do it by getting them to learn
> > the safe languages like python or pascal. Then let the good ones go
> > further into unknown territory. And then there would be less crappy
> > code in the world.
> 
> That's so... wrong.  You don't teach programmers safe programming 
> languages, you teach them safe programming.  You don't teach 

You do need to use a language which allows safe programming techniques.
Things like, say, prepared statements.

> programmers decent indentation by forcing them to use a language that 
> enforces indentation, you just teach them decent indentation.  You 

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