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On Sunday 11 March 2007 12:36, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote:
> hi,
>
> an interesting discussion took place on IRC today regarding this:
> http://www.space-kerala.org/downloads/foss.pdf
>
> The question was, with regard to #2 on the list - software
> developed by keltron, is it foss or not? My contention is that the
> tools used are irrelevant. The software was paid for by the
> government, and developed by the government, all using our tax
> rupees. But there is no indication whether the source for the
> application is open or not, available to the users or not,
> modifiable, downloadable or redistributable or not. Therefore this
> is not f/oss as it goes against the fundamental notion that
> software should be freely available, downloadable, modifiable and
> redistributeable with or without modifications. I was further of

Maybe we should withhold comment on the software in question until we 
do know whether it's FLOSS or not?

Instead of giving a dog a bad name and hanging it, why not ask 
Keltron/Govt of Kerala what license the software is available under 
and THEN indict them if it isn't a FLOSS license?

Do remember that even if the software is, e.g., GPL, there's no reason 
why you should have access to it.  If I write a GPL software, only 
the people I distribute it to have any any right to the software.  
There is nothing in the GPL that states that I must make the source 
available for download, modification and/or redistribution to anyone 
except the people I distribute the software to.

> the opinion that the authors of the PDF in question have tried to
> give an impression that free software is flourishing in the state.

I thought the statement in the beginning of the PDF, ``based on FOSS'' 
is pretty clear.  All the projects that I saw in the document were 
based on FOSS.  The licenses for the individual projects weren't 
specified in the document, so unless you have some other source of 
information, I'd postpone the discussion until it has been proven one 
way or the other that those projects are FLOSS or otherwise.

> I am also suprised that Richard Stallman has lent his name to this
> - I am quite sure that he would have opposed the same thing tooth
> and nail if it had happened in the US or Europe. However the free

Er, would he?  After having met him numerous times, I can't even 
predict what Stallman would do in well-defined situations, leave 
alone ambiguous ones like the one you're referring to.  You obviously 
have a much better grasp of his personality and priorities than I do.

> software guru with whom I was debating seemed to thing that this
> did not fall under the definition of proprietary software. Opinions
> anyone?

I wonder who this free software guru was?  You and I did discuss this 
on IRC earlier today, but (a) I'm no free software guru and (b) I 
never discussed whether this was proprietary software or not.  Unless 
you are referring to some other person, in which case I apologise for 
imputing an issue with your grasp of reality.

Regards,

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