continuing with my earlier reply 2007/5/29, Vihan Pandey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
- Ubuntu translations does not respect upstream, they are forks. The Rosetta translations don't go upstream (It is good in one way since the quality of the translations are very poor)Again, do you have a web link that states this?
"However, by studying and taking part in the translation of KDE to Norwegian I have reached something like a tentative, partial and temporary "conclusion". That conclusion, to put it very briefly, is that there is something ... (fishy?) about Launchpad. Now, here is the story that has led me to this ad hoc and provisional conclusion." http://charismacode.blogspot.com/2007/01/powers-and-repositories-ubuntu-and.html It has the details of the experiment he did. "Rosetta acts and exists as if it is independent of upstream." - again the same study.
> So for me gNewSense, Debian, Fedora ... are much more important than > Ubuntu (but again it is better than Windows, Suse ...). As a Debian user myself, i would rather give Debian to someone wanting to to startup with GNU/Linux, however i don't want them to break their heads on building drivers in their 1st attempt at install. Nor do i want to restrict them by saying it will work only if you have this hardware it works else it won't - in fact that gives them the impression that it is me that is conditioning their freedom :-)
We are almost there to have complete Free Softwares and if we lose now, why did we do it all along? we could all have sit content with proprietary software.
> Freedom aspect > is not the top priority for Ubuntu (Ubuntu website highlights Free of > Cost availability). agreed.
That is why I said I cannot recommend ubuntu to anyone.
no, i meant - has anyone asked Canonical why is Launchpad not Free Software ?
There has been discussions on this. Again from the study: "Over time, it will be open sourced. Right now we compete with Progeny and Red Hat and other companies, so we need to have a unique offering to do so effectively, and that's Launchpad. There are already libraries and tools in LP that we have open sourced on request, especially in Rosetta, the translation infrastructure. ..." Mark Shuttleworth "... to me, the only logical conclusion to that is that LaunchPad will be free when Canonical/Ubuntu are the only players in the market, or when Canonical's current business model fails and they switch to a different one. Which is fine: if you write some software from scratch, it's your choice what you do with it; but unless you're an underpants gnome or a slashdot commenter, the above doesn't qualify as a "plan" to free LaunchPad." - Anthony Towns, previous debian project leader.
> Debian uses only Free Software for its infrastructure and it promises > to give back to the community any new tools created. agreed.
I believe that is a very important quality for a member in the Free Software community. If all they do is take everything in and not give anything back then that is not good for the community.
> see the wiki link. It is not just launchpad, the entire data stored in > the infrastructure is in proprietary format (Remember the case of > bitkeeper). Well, at the end of the day it got dumped for git and if all you say is true for launchpad it won't last very long either.
is it a prediction?
i would rather give Debian to someone over any other distro ANY day, only one can't do that all the time. If everyone i met was a techie and willing to go the extra mile - yes it works, only life isn't always like that. The normal non techie user DOES count.
I'm working on debian to make it easier for new users, so are many.
Sometimes it not so bad if you hold a child's hand while it is learning to walk :-)
I would love to do it myself rather than depending on someone else.
> You will have to use a non-free program to participate in ubuntu > development and your contributions will be stored in a proprietary > format, you could retrieve it only through that program (remember > bitkeeper). i do and i also remember how it was chucked out and replaced by git.
Do you know why it was chucked out? the bitkeeper guys said, enough you can't use it any more. Here the case is different. Both guys are the same. Cheers Praveen -- പ്രവീണ് അരിമ്പ്രത്തൊടിയില് Join The DRM Elimination Crew Now! http://fci.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-DRM-Campaign
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