2007/5/30, Vihan Pandey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
as you quoted study mentioned - he is competing against Red Hat and Progeny and would like to get Launchpad's direction concentrated towards that. A bazaar model would not necessarily help Launchpad's direction. They could do it however by being ``benevolent dictators for life" like Linus, but it seems they would rather not.
And if Red Hat and Progeny is giving back to the community why not back them in the competition? Why should we side with someone who does not respect us? It is not that we are gonna fight against ubuntu, when we get to chose, which one to go for. People might have different priorities, and I respect it. I just shared what my thoughts are on it. Just in case it helps you in making a decision.
Not really. Please check it for your self. http://www.ubuntu.com/news/LaunchpadRelease
Good.
> So, I support those who do give Freedom primary importance. i see. The Apache project does not give Freedom primary importance, does that mean you would refuse to use Apache? The Linux kernel project does not have Freedom on the top agenda, would that imply chucking the Linux kernel out?
It is about prioritizing. I would give Freedom a higher priority that ease of use, you are Free to give other aspects which you feel are more important a higher priority. I wanted to share my concerns what happens when Freedom isn't a higher priority. Again just in case if it helps you when you make a decision - knowing what might happen when you chose technical merit over Freedom. Remember we reached where we are today because many people cared Freedom more than easy to use. There were people using Free Software when most of the hardware would not work, when Open Office was not there, when beryl was not there ... It might help to look back so that we won't have to repeat the same mistakes.
> Surely they are better than M$ (or so i believed before reading the > blogs linked below, now I have serious doubts of their intentions), i see, does that imply you would rather use windoze over Ubuntu? Or as per the blogs boycott Google as it is doing the same thing?
When there is debian, gnewsense ... why would I choose windows. Life is always about compromises, you try to achieve high priority things and sometimes don't mind losing lower priority things.
> but for me those who value Freedom more than merits is important and > Ubuntu isn't one of them yet (they have promised to have a completely > Free distribution and I will support that wholeheartedly). so is giving them the benefit of the doubt such a bad thing?
I already told I will support them if and when they come out with a completely Free distribution.
> > After the M$ Novell deal and a not fully ready GPL v3 yet, how many > > projects can guarantee that they will remain Free Software? > "Debian will remain 100% free" are you saying that the M$ Novell will not affect Debian users and developers?
How will MS-Novell deal will affect Debian users and developers? The threat from MS id the same as that before the deal. Now that Novell is in a tough situation as the deal would violate GPLv3. The MS threat is an annual "The Be very afraid tour" spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt) and there is no substance in it. "So threatening is better than suing, okay? Imagine a party who engages in recurrent threats every summertime, for years on end, on a sort of annual "Be very afraid" tour, okay? I know, it sounds absurd, I know." http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_%E2%80%9CBe_very_afraid%E2%80%9D_tour
> from Debian social contract with the Free Software Community > http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract that still does NOT protect anyone against the M$ Novell deal.
The party needs protection from the deal is Novell. "Don't Worry About Novell; Worry for Them" http://linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/interviews/6388/3/
by the way i don't see Debian there. i wonder why?
"We acknowledge that some of our users require the use of works that do not conform to the Debian Free Software Guidelines. We have created "contrib" and "non-free" areas in our archive for these works. The packages in these areas are not part of the Debian system, although they have been configured for use with Debian." http://www.us.debian.org/social_contract "..and whose main distribution sites distribute only free software." http://www.gnu.org/links/links.html#FreeGNULinuxDistributions
> There are Free drivers which work for most of the cases. and when they don't ?
Only then you have to worry about it, right? Why would Ubuntu give me non-free drivers when everything I wanted work well with Free drivers?
and i have mine.
and I respect that.
then don't take service from them.
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