On Saturday 15 September 2007 19:12, Rony wrote: > JTD wrote:- (Parts without quotes) > > > > > OO is not ready for use IS an attitude problem. Especially when it > > is contrary to my (and hughe number of other people's) experience > > in using both Msorifice and OO
> (RB) If that was the case it would sell like hot cakes. Retail > vendors are always looking out for equivalent solutions. You have just taken a giant leap into wrong logic. Selling like hotcakes has got absolutely nothing to do with the issues being discussed. Big sales != good software. > If you had > bad experiences with M$ that's fine because it helps promote linux > faster. But my experience with M$ users is different. They are > already used to the software They are already used to a crappy system is more like it. > and after I take over the systems, > their problems get eliminated steadily and they use the systems > with minimum or no hanging and crashes. That means it becomes slightly less crappy, usually by increasing RAM (memory leaks), higher speed cpu (limiting cpu load), adding AV (poor security and additional load on cpu). Resources which cost and are better utilised elsewhere. > Everything starts running > smoothly and efficiently except for hardware issues or reckless > users. Ya. You hit it on the head - reckless users clicky all sorts of icons and buttons except da right one. Boy oh boy do heaven and earth meet. > In the end it becomes difficult to make them change to > another environment when everything works fine. Added to that are > the functionality problems like the one I described. The user has > been using Excel since more than 10 years and has good knowledge of > its working. he went through the help docs, spent almost a day > trying to get it right, but ultimately decided to stick to M$. This > doesn't make me happy in any way. Dont worry. let him fall into the fire. Like many others who are now full time foss users. > M$ softwares may have more bugs, be less stable than nix based > ones but when they are in the stable working mode, at least they > do the job they are intended to do. >> Utter nonsense unless u include Msoriffice and Xpee crashing 10 > > times a day and using antivirus as great features and part of HM > > BG's grand architecture. > > > (RB) This is rubbish. If M$ Office and XP crash 10 times a day, > most offices will shut down. There will be chaos. Lets not get > biased so much that we exaggerate. I suppose u havent been to a large scale M$ shop with admins reinstalling tens of machines daily. Besides the fairly common shutting down of services for "maintanence". Afair the UK pension system shutdown solid for more than a week. And recently all Vista machines refused to boot in some town in Sweden. There was a case of a banks ATMs (300 of em) infected by some crappy worm inspite of all the "security". AS i said for doze users such crap is "working normally". In the FOSS world such things are considered brain dead design and programming practices. > > > (RB) If your experience is different, good for you. My yakking > > highlights problems so that other people should not face them. You have to file a bug report or mail to the developers. Then yak if u dont get a response. > > Your > > extreme and biased yakking steers people away from linux. If they cant file bug reports or mail to the developers (or ask the person who did the install), i sure hope they get lost fast. > > (RB) GUI is just an extension of a script. The script you mentioned > can be run by simply clicking a gui shortcut to it. It is all about > environment. If you have to work in a terminal only environment, > naturally command line and scripts is the way. If you are in a gui > Instead, there is a gui firmware > interface which only the service personnel would understand and > they correctly enter the values according to the customer's > environment and the gui internally creates relevant scripts and > runs them. Nothing wrong in that except when you have to click ten buttons a 30 times thrice a month, or when the idiot service engineer from the isp presses the reset button on the modem and u having to send your engineer to set things right. > > (RB) Just because you feel that your way is the only right way to > do things it does not make it so. There are other good ways too. -- And that was precisely my point ;-). If your users are used to crack, paying fat sums for paint on their screen and think that viruses are a part of computing use doze by all means. -- Rgds JTD -- http://mm.glug-bom.org/mailman/listinfo/linuxers
