Hello Jakub,

On Mon, 2026-06-15 at 15:29 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote:
> This tiny series moves appletalk out of tree, to:
> 
>   https://github.com/linux-netdev/mod-orphan
> 
> Core maintainainers are unable to keep up with the rate of security
> bug reports and fixes. Nobody seems to care about appletalk enough
> to review the patches.

Why would fixing these vulnerabilities be relevant? No one is going to
expose an Apple Talk server to an untrusted network, are they? The same
applies to hamradio and AX.25, they are all used by hobbyists in DMZ
networks, so no one really cares about vulnerabilities in these protocols.

I find it sad that AI tools are basically used to shoot at the kernel
to kill off features as some people are apparently getting scared by
these AI reports and just nuke everything in a panic reaction as if it
wouldn't just be possible to disable these protocols at compile time
to reduce the attack surface.

> As Eric pointed out Mac OS dropped AppleTalk over a decade ago.

That's not the point though. No one is going to use AppleTalk to network
a Linux box to a modern macOS machine. The usefulness lies in hooking up
a Linux box to a vintage Mac or other retro computer.

So far, one of the huge advantages of open source operating systems has
always been that even niche use cases were supported and people could make
use of old hardware by using open source operating systems over commercial
offerings such as Windows or macOS.

With the advent of AI security reports, these niche use cases are more and
more being killed off with the argument that a vulnerability in the harmradio
code could pose a threat to a large SAP database running on a Linux enterprise
distribution. However, if your enterprise distribution is enabling kernel
features their customers aren't using and therefore enlarging the attack 
surface,
it's more a problem of said enterprise distribution and not of these old and
obscure network protocols.

I am trying my best to save as many classic features in the kernel as possible
to enable retro computing but I am sometimes fearing that commercial interest
in the kernel is taking over too much making my efforts harder every day.

Adrian

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