Dino, are any of these ones we asked you to move around earlier for some reason? (I want to try to avoid saying A, no B, no A...)

Assuming these were not previously moved for some reason, I am happy with most of Jari's suggests.

I do think referencing the registry for AFIs is the right thing. Referencing the RFC that defines the registry would merely cause an indirection, since what people generally need is the values. If they need the underlying definition, they can follow the links from there.

I do not think the Interworking draft should be a normative reference. It is needed for understanding deployment with interworking. But it is not needed for understanding the base LISP spec.

Yours,
Joel

On 10/27/2011 12:54 PM, Dino Farinacci wrote:
...
Terry needs to respond to this.

    [BGP-SEC]  Lepinski, M., "An Overview of BGPSEC",
               
draft-lepinski-bgpsec-overview-00.txt<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lepinski-bgpsec-overview-00.txt>
   (work in progress),
               March 2011.

    [KARP]     Lebovitz, G. and M. Bhatia, "Keying and Authentication for
               Routing Protocols (KARP)Design Guidelines",
               
draft-ietf-karp-design-guide-02.txt<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-karp-design-guide-02.txt>
   (work in progress),
               March 2011.

    [RPKI]     Lepinski, M., "An Infrastructure to Support Secure
               Internet 
Routing",draft-ietf-sidr-arch-13.txt<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-sidr-arch-13.txt>
   (work in
               progress), February 2011.


I have a hard time seeing why these should be normative references. They are 
just mentioned as work that is in progress in securing the routing system. You 
do not need to read these to implement LISP as specified in this document, or 
even to understand what Lisp is or its impacts.

Can yo and the chairs argue over this and make a decision. Then I will put it 
where you have agreed.

    [RFC1034]  Mockapetris, P., "Domain names - concepts and facilities",
               STD 13,RFC 1034<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1034>, November 
1987.


If you look at the way this is referenced from the text, it is clear that this 
should be a non-normative reference.

      The host obtains
      a destination EID the same way it obtains an destination address
      today, for example through a Domain Name System (DNS) [RFC1034]
      lookup or Session Invitation Protocol (SIP) [RFC3261] exchange.

   [RFC3261]  Rosenberg, J., Schulzrinne, H., Camarillo, G., Johnston,
              A., Peterson, J., Sparks, R., Handley, M., and E.
              Schooler, "SIP: Session Initiation Protocol", RFC 3261,
              June 2002.

Same as above.

    [RFC2784]  Farinacci, D., Li, T., Hanks, S., Meyer, D., and P.
               Traina, "Generic Routing Encapsulation (GRE)",RFC 
2784<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2784>,
               March 2000.


If you look at the way this is referenced from the text, I think this should be 
a non-normative reference.

  o  On an ITR, prepending a new IP header consists of adding more
      bytes to a MAC rewrite string and prepending the string as part of
      the outgoing encapsulation procedure.  Routers that support GRE
      tunneling [RFC2784] or 6to4 tunneling [RFC3056] may already
      support this action.

GRE is here use as an example, not as normative behavior.

    [RFC3056]  Carpenter, B. and K. Moore, "Connection of IPv6 Domains
               via IPv4 Clouds",RFC 3056<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3056>, 
February 2001.


Same as above.


    [RFC4866]  Arkko, J., Vogt, C., and W. Haddad, "Enhanced Route
               Optimization for Mobile IPv6",RFC 
4866<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4866>, May 2007.

I think this one can be non-normative or even be removed, depending on how the 
mobility section rewrite goes.


    [RFC4984]  Meyer, D., Zhang, L., and K. Fall, "Report from the IAB
               Workshop on Routing and Addressing",RFC 
4984<http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4984>,
               September 2007.


Background. Non-normative.

    [AFI]      IANA, "Address Family Indicators (AFIs)", ADDRESS FAMILY
               NUMBERS
               http://www.iana.org/assignments/address-family-numbers.

    [AFI-REGISTRY]
               IANA, "Address Family Indicators (AFIs)", ADDRESS FAMILY
               NUMBER registryhttp://www.iana.org/assignments/
               address-family-numbers/
               address-family-numbers.xml#address-family-numbers-1.

Is there really no better reference for this, an RFC perhaps?

I wish there were... and that RFC could be put in to the normative-reference 
section. If there is no suitable RFC I'm fine with the current two references 
as-is.

    [INTERWORK]
               Lewis, D., Meyer, D., Farinacci, D., and V. Fuller,
               "Interworking LISP with IPv4 and IPv6",
               
draft-ietf-lisp-interworking-02.txt<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-interworking-02.txt>
   (work in progress).


I think this one should be normative. This is such a key piece of work to 
understanding Lisp, and the text seems to treat it as if it is a normative 
part. For instance:

  Proxy ITR (PITR):   A PITR is also known as a PTR is defined and
      described in [INTERWORK], a PITR acts like an ITR but does so on
      behalf of non-LISP sites which send packets to destinations at
      LISP sites.

    [LISP-MS]  Farinacci, D. and V. Fuller, "LISP Map Server",
               
draft-ietf-lisp-ms-09.txt<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-ms-09.txt> 
  (work in progress).


Isn't this normative as well? Here's an example of how the text refers to it:

  Map-Requests can also be LISP encapsulated using UDP destination port
   4342 with a LISP type value set to "Encapsulated Control Message",
   when sent from an ITR to a Map-Resolver.  Likewise, Map-Requests are
   LISP encapsulated the same way from a Map-Server to an ETR.  Details
   on encapsulated Map-Requests and Map-Resolvers can be found in
   [LISP-MS].

You guys decide where all of this should go (from my last comment to this 
line), and I'll make one change.

    [VERSIONING]
               Iannone, L., Saucez, D., and O. Bonaventure, "LISP Mapping
               
Versioning",draft-ietf-lisp-map-versioning-01.txt<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-lisp-map-versioning-01.txt>
   (work
               in progress).


I suspect this is normative, too. See Section 6.6.3.

Jari

Dino


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