Hello,

By its very nature LISP causes resiliency issues. Don't you think that the
charter should briefly evoke that?

Thank you,

Damien Saucez


On 21 Dec 2011, at 02:49, Terry Manderson wrote:

> That works for me in both cases of wearing/not wearing WG hat.
> 
> Cheers
> Terry
> 
> 
> On 20/12/11 9:52 PM, "Jari Arkko" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
>> I have looked at the latest version of the new charter. We've made progress
>> (e.g., I liked the changes Dino suggested on removing some of the inaccurate
>> definitions) and I'm generally happy, except with three aspects:
>> 
>> o  v4 runout is no longer "impending"
>> 
>> o  the removal of the VPN etc wording has made the draft vague about what 
>> work
>> is exactly in scope.
>> 
>> o  some editorial things
>> 
>> I have tried to fix these in the version below.
>> 
>> In any case, I have taken the recharter of the working group to the next IESG
>> telechat which IIRC is on the first Thursday in 2012. I'm sure some editing 
>> of
>> the version below will be needed, hopefully we can complete this before the
>> IESG call.
>> 
>> Jari
>> 
>> Locator/ID Separation Protocol (lisp)
>> -------------------------------------
>> 
>>  Charter
>> 
>>  Current Status: Active
>> 
>>  Chairs:
>>      Joel Halpern <[email protected]>
>>      Terry Manderson <[email protected]>
>> 
>>  Internet Area Directors:
>>      Ralph Droms <[email protected]>
>>      Jari Arkko <[email protected]>
>> 
>>  Internet Area Advisor:
>>      Jari Arkko <[email protected]>
>> 
>>  Secretaries:
>>      Wassim Haddad <[email protected]>
>>      Luigi Iannone <[email protected]>
>> 
>>  Mailing Lists:
>>      General Discussion: [email protected]
>>      To Subscribe:       https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/lisp
>>      Archive:   
>> http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/lisp/current/maillist.html
>> 
>> Description of Working Group:
>> 
>> The IAB's October 2006 Routing and Addressing Workshop (RFC 4984)
>> rekindled interest in scalable routing and addressing architectures for
>> the Internet. Among the many issues driving this renewed interest are
>> concerns about the scalability of the routing system. Since the IAB workshop,
>> several
>> proposals have emerged which attempt to address the concerns expressed
>> there and elsewhere. In general, these proposals are based on the
>> "locator/identifier separation".
>> 
>> The basic idea behind the separation is that the Internet architecture
>> combines two functions, routing locators, (where you are attached to the
>> network) and identifiers (who you are) in one number space: The IP
>> address. Proponents of the separation architecture postulate that
>> splitting these functions apart will yield several advantages, including
>> improved scalability for the routing system. The separation aims to
>> decouple locators and identifiers, thus allowing for efficient
>> aggregation of the routing locator space and providing persistent
>> identifiers in the identifier space.
>> 
>> LISP requires no changes to end-systems or to most routers. LISP aims
>> for an incrementally deployable protocol.
>> 
>> A number of approaches are being looked at in parallel in other
>> contexts. The IRTF RRG examined several proposals, some of which were
>> published as IRTF-track Experimental RFCs.
>> 
>> The LISP WG is chartered to work on the LISP base protocol, completing the
>> ongoing work,
>> and any items which directly impact LISP protocol structures and are related
>> to using LISP for improving Internet routing scalability. Specifically, the
>> group will
>> work on:
>> 
>> - LISP security threats and solutions
>> - MIBs
>> - deployment models
>> - allocation of EID space
>> - alternate mapping system designs
>> 
>> In addition, if work chartered in some other IETF WG requires changes
>> in the LISP base protocol or any items which directly impact LISP
>> protocol structures, then the LISP WG is chartered to work on such
>> changes.
>> 
>> The working group will encourage and support interoperable LISP
>> implementations as well as defining requirements for alternate mapping
>> systems. The Working Group will also develop security profiles for LISP
>> and the various LISP mapping systems.
>> 
>> It is expected that the results of specifying, implementing, and testing
>> LISP will be fed to the general efforts at the IETF and IRTF to understand
>> which
>> type of a solution is optimal. The LISP WG is not chartered to develop a
>> standard
>> solution for solving the routing scalability problem at this time. The
>> specifications developed by the WG are Experimental and labeled with
>> accurate disclaimers  about their limitations and not fully understood
>> implications
>> for Internet traffic. In addition, as these issues are understood, the
>> working group will analyze and document the implications of LISP on
>> Internet traffic, applications, routers, and security. This analysis
>> will explain what role LISP can play in scalable routing. The analysis
>> should also look at scalability and levels of state required for
>> encapsulation, decapsulation, liveness, and so on as well as the
>> manageability and operability of LISP. Specifically, the group will work on:
>> 
>> - documenting areas that need experimentation
>> - summarizing the results of implementation, experiments, and deployment
>> experience
>> - describing the implications of employing LISP
>> - operational guidance for using LISP
>> 
>> Goals and Milestones
>> 
>> Jun 2012    Forward draft-ietf-lisp-mib to the IESG
>> Jun 2012    Forward draft-ietf-lisp-sec to the IESG
>> Jun 2012    Forward to the IESG an operational document which should
>>             include cache management and ETR synchronization
>>             techniques (draft-ietf-lisp-deployment).
>> Dec 2013    Publish an example cache management specification.
>> Dec 2013    Forward to the IESG an evaluation of the security threat to
>>             cache maintenance (draft-ietf-lisp-threats)
>> Dec 2013    Forward to the IESG a document addressing the areas which
>>             require further experimentation.
>> Jun 2014    Evaluate the applicability and coverage for LISP from a
>>             reuse of SIDR technology.
>> Jun 2014    Summarize results of specifying, implementing, and testing
>>             LISP and forward to IESG and/or IRTF.
>> Jun 2014    Analyze and document the implications of LISP deployments in
>>             Internet topologies and forward to IESG for publication.
>> Dec 2014    Re-charter or close
> 
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