> I have to say I rather lik the iea of a query to the mapping system that asks 
> for a simple, small set of prefixes with the property that anything outside 
> of that set is by definition unknown to that mapping system.  A mapping 
> system with no clue returns 0/0.

And is already implemented multiple times.  ;-)

Dino

> 
> Yours,
> Joel
> 
> On 11/21/2012 3:03 PM, Sander Steffann wrote:
>> Hi Noel,
>> 
>>>> I don't think that expecting code to handle two blocks (the
>>>> experimental one and the permanent one) is asking too much
>>> 
>>> We disagree. For me, it's extra code/complexity, and it buys you absolutely
>>> nothing at all.
>> 
>> I don't agree. See below.
>> 
>>>> If a single permanent allocation that never changes is truly necessary
>>> 
>>> Allocation != reservation. Nobody is asking for the entire chunk to be
>>> _allocated_ (i.e. given out), just that it be _reserved_ for this use.
>> 
>> But if I understand correctly it's going to be hard-coded somewhere. That 
>> will mean that everything that is reserved now will be unusable for anything 
>> else ever. I'm not *that* worried about wasting IPv6 addresses, but I do 
>> worry about any hard-coding of prefixes. What for example if LISP is such a 
>> success that the block is too small?
>> 
>> Wouldn't it be better to have a bootstrap method that is more flexible? The 
>> DDT root servers know which prefixes are delegated, so we might extend the 
>> DDT protocol to return that list of prefixes. I write code myself, so I know 
>> it's a lot more work to implement something like that properly. I'm worried 
>> about the consequences of making this hard-coded though. We can't foresee 
>> all the possibilities at this point in time (if ever).
>> 
>> Another benefit of making this flexible is that multiple models of LISP 
>> deployment can be used. It doesn't matter anymore if IANA reserves a special 
>> block, RIRs assign from separate blocks, or even if ISPs offer LISP based 
>> solutions to their customers (which happens to be what I am doing).
>> 
>> You get all that, but yes: it does make the code more complex. On the other 
>> hand: LISP implementations know how to talk to DDT servers and probably also 
>> have prefix-list-matching code already, so it shouldn't be too difficult to 
>> get a list of prefixes and match against it.
>> 
>> - Sander
>> 
>> 
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