sorrry,
two words (= identified by) were missing


-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- 
Von: heinerhummel <[email protected]>
An: jnc <[email protected]>; lisp <[email protected]>
Verschickt: Mi, 9 Jan 2013 11:39 pm
Betreff: Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-architecture: Demand Loading of Mappings


We all know a well running loc-id-split solution which is the yellow postal 
service:  It forwards the letter to the indicated address and deliberately 
risks an eventually negative  "return to sender, identifier unknown, no such 
number, no such phone..." i.e. does not waste its capacities with billions of 
UPDATEs to ensure that any ingress office would know that the potential 
receiving person really lives at the indicated address. Note, it is not already 
the egress post office per se, no, it is its mail man standing in front of the 
addressed door who recognizes that the letter can or cannot be delivered. This 
means: "loc-id-split" handled in such a way works for a network which is 
100,000 or may be 1 million times larger than the internet. 


My TARA (Topology Aggregating Routing Architecture) precisely works that way. 
It does not waste the routers' capacities with thousands of reachability 
updates per second. No PUSH and no PULL !!! 


The sender sends the packet, bestowed with destination-identifier (ipv4 addr) 
and destination-(TARA-)Locator as learned from DNS, which is forwarded to that 
TARA-site as indicated by this destination-TARA-Locator. There, 3 things may 
happen: 1) packet can be delivered, 2) a well-scoped broadcast search can be 
started to look for the roaming destination user all over the local 
geographical surrounding, 3) or alternatively a negative response.


Running out of IPv4 Unicast addresses, it is however necessary that any 
(roaming) user owns an IPv4-address which is unique per its "home-geopatch" and 
that it will be identified by its IPv4-address plus its home-geopatch (2 
octets) when roaming.


I hope this also explains why LISP (in spite of its name) is not a loc-id-split 
solution.


Heiner


 



















-----Ursprüngliche Mitteilung----- 
Von: Noel Chiappa <[email protected]>
An: lisp <[email protected]>
Cc: jnc <[email protected]>
Verschickt: Mi, 9 Jan 2013 8:05 pm
Betreff: Re: [lisp] draft-ietf-lisp-architecture: Demand Loading of Mappings


    > From: [email protected]

    > Pull (LISP) versus Push (legacy IP). This discussion confirms that LISP
    > is not and has never been a loc-id-split protocol.

So... LISP+NERD _would_ be a "loc-id-split protocol"?

{Sorry, all, couldn't resist... :-}

        Noel
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