On 23 Mar 2013, at 12:55 AM, Dino Farinacci wrote:

>> We would like to see some discussion on the list for 
>> draft-arango-pim-join-attributes-for-lisp. The LISP multicast specification 
>> in RFC6831 defaults to the use of a multicast transport over RLOC space. The 
>> draft introduces two new attributes to PIM signaling to support unicast 
>> transport with ingress replication. Slides describing the proposal can be 
>> found at:
>> http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/slides/slides-86-lisp-8.pptx
> 
> I have one question and one comment.
> 
>> Unicast transport requires the communication of two additional pieces of 
>> information in the PIM(S-EID,G)Join message:
>> 
>> 1) An indication that the receiver-ETR wants unicast transport and is not 
>> additionally joining through native multicast by sending an (S-RLOC,G) Join.
>> 
>> 2) The receiver-ETR RLOC address that should be used as the destination for 
>> the LISP unicast encapsulated multicast data packets.
> 
> Why can't the two pieces of information be transmitted in one attribute. 
> Because in both cases, the ETR would be indicating how it wants to receive 
> encapsulated multicast packets. If the ETR supplies a unicast RLOC, then it 
> should be implicit that the ETR wants the encapsulation via unicast and if 
> the ETR supplies a delivery-group address it should should also join with the 
> deliver-group into the underlay.

As Jesus explained two separate attributes were defined for added flexibility. 
For example it is possible to specify the receiver-ETR RLOC even in the case 
that multicast transport is used. It may be needed to specify a target for SMRs.
As for allowing the receiver-ETR to specify a multicast delivery group instead 
of a unicast RLOC, is that model desired? A different mechanism would be 
required as the receiver-ETRs would not be capable of coordinating to pick the 
same group.

> And the comment, even if the ETR supplies a delivery-group and does join the 
> underlay, packets encapsulated in multicast may still not reach the ETR. So 
> to generally solve this problem, there needs to be more machinery so the ETR 
> can tell if there is multicast connectivity (per address-family) from the ITR.


The information on whether the root-ITR has multicast connectivity can be 
provided through the registered mapping (as an LCAF attribute?).

thanks
Isidor


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