Thanks for this Dino - Luigi has already cleared up my comments and questions 
on the draft by noting that the comments about conversion to a permanent 
allocation were intended to have been omitted from the draft.

Geoff



On 22 Feb 2014, at 3:52 am, Dino Farinacci <[email protected]> wrote:

> LISP does not require remembering. And many (100s) sites are using addresses 
> they already have been using pre-LISP from non- corralled allocations. 
> 
> Dino
> 
>> On Feb 21, 2014, at 1:29 AM, Geoff Huston <[email protected]> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On 15 Feb 2014, at 3:34 am, [email protected] wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 
>>> directories.
>>> This draft is a work item of the Locator/ID Separation Protocol Working 
>>> Group of the IETF.
>>> 
>>>     Title           : LISP EID Block Management Guidelines
>>>     Authors         : Luigi Iannone
>>>                       Roger Jorgensen
>>>                       David Conrad
>>>   Filename        : draft-ietf-lisp-eid-block-mgmnt-01.txt
>>>   Pages           : 13
>>>   Date            : 2014-02-14
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> section4, bullet 5 states:
>>     All allocations (renewed or not,
>>     including delegations and sub-allocations) MUST be returned by 31
>>     December 2020, in accordance to the 3+3 years plan outlined in
>>     [I-D.ietf-lisp-eid-block].
>> 
>> 
>> but the text at the end of the section reads:
>> 
>> If/When the EID block experiment changes status (e.g., to not being
>> "experimental"), and following the policies outlined in [RFC5226],
>> the EID block will change status as well and will be converted to a
>> permanent allocation. 
>> 
>> 
>> Bullet 5 states "MUST be returned" and the later text states "will be 
>> converted to a permanent allocation"
>> 
>> This seems to be a contradiction. What's the intended plan? 
>> 
>> If the permanent plan is that LISP runs from corralled space, then I am 
>> seriously concerned that this is an admission of failure of LISP from the 
>> outset. I though the object of the exercise was to offer LISP as a routing 
>> protocol with superior scaling properties to what we have now. But if this 
>> entails renumbering the Internet to achieve it, then just renumbering the 
>> Internet so that the address structure aligns with the topology of the 
>> network would allow the existing protocols to also scale - so where is the 
>> "win" in LISP?
>> 
>> At the very least it would be good for the draft to clarify the directives 
>> of must be returned and the conversion to a permanent allocation.
>> 
>> But I would also like to understand the longer term issues at play here - is 
>> the longer term plan for LISP to route the Internet's unicast address space 
>> as deployed, or are we truly contemplating a lengthy transition into an 
>> essentially renumbered space?
>> 
>> Geoff
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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